I don’t just mean outrage or regular rage, I mean shock that someone was to the left of “legal weed and free college but only for those that operate a successful business for 3 years in a disadvantaged community” takes.
I think federating took them by surprise, looking back. For about a week, those smug liberals were at a loss to even fathom what Hexbears were saying, and could only chant bullshit about how we’re Russian/Chinese bots.
Sure they still do that but they’ve slightly adapted to Hexbear presence.
when people live in an echo chamber, the outside is scary and confusing
Sure, Hexbear was its own kind of echo chamber, but I think it got a weird sense of solidarity overall and the internal struggle sessions were mitigated somewhat by just how sheer fucking liberal the federated communities were revealed to be next door.
Especially programming.dev. What the fuck is up with those cryptofascists?
You get plenty of good folks in programming, but you also get high volumes of:
- Stemlords
- Bazingas
- Temporarily embarrassed millionaires
- Labor aristocrats
- Misogynists
Lots of underlying drivers of reactionary thought.
hey guys im just hanging out here with all the good folks in programming they are just out of frame
It’s hilarious to see people call this place an echo chamber.
I don’t know if I’ve ever seen a more divided group on literally any given topic.
I can say the word cats and start an argument where I’m taking shit from three different sides, pretty sure thats not an echo chamber.
Its full of dudes who make a fuckton of money, lack self awareness, and chase early retirement, they fully think there is a meritocracy. That makes them treat poorer people accordingly.
Unfortunately they don’t realize that they are closer to being homeless than they are to being at their daddy Elon or Zuck’s level of wealth. One cancer diagnosis and it’s over
I was expecting large struggle sessions with lemmygrad over sectarianism and left bashing (we are a ML space), but everyone saw the libs and went full Workers United Front
like I knew in theory we were closer to each other than to the libs but the sheer magnitude has been surprising. we used to have AES struggle sessions every couple of months but virtually everyone closed ranks once federation hit. we’ve spent so much time arguing over how critical our “critical support” is and it’s small potatoes in comparison to “DAE winnie the pooh??”
Aren’t they pretending to believe we’re all Republicans doing a three year long larp as leftists?
That’s their latest thing yeah. “Well see you both agree with Republican ideas of isolationism and therefore you must ACTUALLY be right wing.”
Libs plz. We believe in US isolationism because we want the US to stop fucking around with the rest of the world and leave the rest of the world alone to figure itself out without being bombed and coerced into doing what the US wants the world to do. The right believes in US isolationism because they’re nationalists who believe the US should only help ourselves and should never help anyone outside our borders. We’re literally polar opposites. There is no overlap in those 2 viewpoints.
I knew it wasn’t going to be long before they started calling us MAGA Communists. They can’t fathom people who can laugh at Trump and not be completly deranged over him destroying DEMOCRACY ™ so we have to secretly be supporting him.
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“I’m as left as they come, but I trust the CIA and support every US foreign policy position”
Honestly I am not that left. I just want an internationalist world order in which the means of productions are under shared democratic rational control of the working class to enable survival on the world, sustainable eco systems and the realm of freedom which enables us to work little and enjoy being humans for the sake of being human. That isn’t that much.
the media are bad and duplicitous and lie all the time to make money for their capitalist owners. except about Venezuela, Cuba, Bolivia, China, Stalin and the DPRK, I still believe all those lies because I’m a good kid and so is America
When something bad happens in a socialist country it’s the government’s fault, when something bad happens in a capitalist country it’s the individuals fault (or it’s a good thing, actually)
Good points. When it comes to the DPRK, I think a part of it is that the weird and wonderful stories are easy to believe because anything could happen in a land of unicorns and necromancy.
the media are bad and duplicitous and lie all the time to make money for their capitalist owners. except about Venezuela, Cuba, Bolivia, China, Stalin and the DPRK, I still believe all those lies because I’m a good kid and so is America
They are first and foremost, nationalists. It’s unsurprising that they accept and go along with everything when they are told “this is good for america”. As nationalists they simply bat for their team.
We have to make them stop being nationalists first in order to get that to stop happening. Then the rest opens up.
This is a good ovservation. It seems to me that historically the rise of liberalism is paralel to the rise of the nation state. This may be a historical accident or may be because merchant capital and financial capital beneft from a strong state and viceversa. One would expect that as capital becomes international the libs would become less nationalistic. But there is still a large block that would semengly go against their own material interests starting stuff with china for example.
listening to DSA sing it without a hint of irony left me with a bitter taste in my mouth
Regarding competing ‘echo chambers’, we’ve been inoculated to liberalism because we get exposed to it on a nonstop near-daily basis in our work/social/ whatever lives and come here to gripe about that specicifically, meanwhile these libs have literally never been exposed to opinions to their left because they’re used to living in exclusively curated spaces.
also I’m not a bot I’m a vocaloid, gosh
