Western media have finally change course. They are now admitting that the much promoted Ukrainian counter-offensive has failed. In fact, the acknowledge that it never had a chance to win in the first place.
The Hill, the Washington Post and CNN now agree that the Ukrainian army will never achieve its aims.
western MSM has a rare encounter with reality!
That makes it difficult for the Biden administration to get Congress approval for $24 billion in additional ‘aid’ to Ukraine. It does not make sense to pay for a cause that is evidently lost.
b seems overly hopeful regarding the rationality of US congress, but i think hes right- why would we throw more money at them, US politicians have made it clear they do not support bringing Ukraine into NATO if they do not win this conflict. of course, US politicians are prone to lying and misleading
Nothing has come from the ‘peace conference’ which Saudi Arabia arranged on Ukraine’s behalf
lol. lmao even. props to big dog MBS for trying
Despite the onslaught of bad news the Ukrainian army is still trying to take Russian positions in the south and east of Ukraine. But it simply does not have enough in men and material to break through the lines.
Even if they would manage to get a local breakthrough there are not enough reserves to push for the necessary follow up. Just one of the NATO trained brigades has still been held back. All others have been mauled in their various deployment zones.
nothing has changed it seems
In the northeast around Kupyansk the Russians have started their own offensive which has the Ukrainians on the run. Ukraine has ordered the evacuation of the area
But Kupyansk is a Russian city and people refuse to leave.
show this to the libs claiming Russians are committing genocide in the regions they capture. curious that these civilians are content with Russian occupation when you believe what western media claims
The Russian campaign is slowly speeding up. As the Ukrainian Strana.news reports (machine translation):
Also in Ukraine, it is recorded that from Kupyansk to Bakhmut, Russia has increased the number of attacks.
"Over the past month, the total number of attacks in the Kupyansk, Limansky and Bakhmut directions has grown significantly. In July, during the week there were 6-6.5 thousand attacks, during the last week-9 thousand attacks, " - said the representative of the National Guard Ruslan Muzychuk.
According to him, the Russian Federation does not experience “shell hunger”.
Aviation is also actively used, and over the past few weeks, more than 50 air attacks have been taking place every day, and sometimes more than 80.
That is bad news for the Ukrainian side which lacks the reserves to counter the Russian onslaught. There are also less weapons coming in from the West. F-16 fighter jets will be delayed for another nine months due to training issues. Tanks and other material are in short supply.
these supply issues sure bode well for the west’s performance in WW3
Strana also report of an interview with a knowledgeable Ukrainian soldier (machine translation):
Continuing the topic of the situation at the front, an interesting interview was given by a Ukrainian sniper fighting near Bakhmut with the call sign “Grandfather”. On the air of political scientist Yuri Romanenko, he was introduced as Konstantin Proshinsky (this is a pseudonym).
The fighter spoke in detail about his vision of the situation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Russian army.
- Mobilization. In his opinion, it is conducted incorrectly. Recruits are sent to the front who have never been trained, and they are often over 50 years old and with a whole bunch of diseases.
- No rotation. The soldier says that “the same brigades” are fighting at the front, and people are not taken out of the front line for six months or more. Whereas by Western standards, they can be kept in a war zone for no more than three months.
- Behavior of mid-and high-level commanders. According to Proshinsky, many of them are trying to arrange a “mini-Stalingrad” on the positions, forcing them to go into frontal assaults on well-fortified Russian positions.
- The Russian Army began to fight better.
- Proshinsky believes that Russia has not yet used much of what it has against Ukraine.
The soldier thinks that the Russians will not move from their positions and that a stalemate peace like in Korea would be the end result.
UAF in real dire times— recruiting the elderly, poor logistics, engaging the enemy at inopportune times, and Russia has yet to waver
I believe that to be wrong. Russia’s aim is to liberate at least the four regions that it has claimed for itself. For political reasons it can not stop before that is done.
Should the Ukraine continue to fight after that, Russia is likely to set new aims and take more land.
more editorializing, but it doesnt seem unreasonable. i thought Russia would stick to its original goal of Donetsk and Luhansk, but if Zaporizhzhia and Kherson are receptive to Russian governance, it would be foolish for Russia to give them up
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Hmm maybe we should just report every pro USA comment as this?
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Double whammy from @natecox@programming.dev stuffing more hatemail in the modbox. The quicker you either 1) show up and actually try and prove why you’re right and the article is wrong. or 2) stop making false mod reports over opinions you disagree with, the quicker you’ll stop getting pinged for wasting everyone’s time.
@natecox@programming.dev are you really going to keep replying to me via mod reports? Are you really that scared of saying hello or incapable of walking away from an unwinnable event?
comes to an instance commonly defederated because tankies
Sees tankies
OMG I DIDN’T KNOW HEXBEARS WAS ACTUALLY TANKIES
Show me one place the Ukronazis broke through even the first line of Russian defences. I’ll wait, dorks.
I am still astounded by this part, the utter failure of Ukraine to make any substantial gains whatsoever. I never expected the counteroffensive to succeed, but with the Russian evacuations of the combat zone, and the withdrawals in Karhkiv and Kherson, I pretty much expected the UAF to be allowed to reach the 1st line of defense. The utter failure of the UAF to take only a few tiny pockets, despite their force concentration, just shows the utter failure of NATO to identify an effective doctrine.
Now, with Russia on the offensive again, I don’t really see any possibility of Ukrainian gains in the future. If the counteroffensive was supposed to improve Ukraine’s position on the negotiating table, well, this is their high tide.
It doesn’t seem like a big departure from where they’ve been for most of the war. Well before this I recall the general consensus being that Ukraine was sending out waves of unsupported light infantry and Russia was mulching them with massed artillery fire, and then the process repeated until the UA soldiers refused to advance.
NATO doesn’t really seem to have much going in terms of tactics except “lol air superiority”. A lot of their equipment is shitty and has poor mobility, and they haven’t fought any real battles since Vietnam. All they really know is air superiority, gun run, JDAM, bomb civilians, hot chip, and lie."
lol “editorialized”. i counted two instances of b editorializing in this otherwise well cited article. and one of those is barely editorializing, more of a hypothesis based on prior evidence that Ukraine does not have enough reserves to follow up if they happen to break the Russian line. the other is a guess of Russia’s future actions, but again, its a reasonable guess based on the current status of the Russian army and the general sentiment of civilians in Russia-occupied oblasts.
so come @jemikwa@lemmy.blahaj.zone and @natecox@programming.dev. come @lasagna@programming.dev. defend ur claims in the posting arena instead of cowering in the mod reports
Its just so much fucking blood spilled.
I can’t get over how many people are throwing their lives away over some dipshits in their respective capitals putting new lines on a map. Nightmarish to see Ukrainians and Russians alike march to their deaths over this shit.
some Ukrainians are being coerced into serving. libs will call me a Russian bot for this, but i dont think the same can be said for Russia. they have enough active military personnel to avoid drafting; they havent even deployed them all
but yeah, war is depressing. hopefully before we go extinct we will achieve communism and end war
Does Ukraine really need to coerce people into serving? I was under the impression that the country had huge numbers of bloodthirsty fascists salivating at the thought of killing “RuZZian orcs.”
The Ukrainian leader said all officials responsible for military conscription in each region of the country were dismissed.
Mr Zelenskyy said a probe into military recruitment centres across the nation exposed illegal dealings including bribery.
The investigations also unveiled reports of officials helping men dodge conscription by fleeing across borders.
There is currently a wartime ban on travel for draft-eligible men.
“This system should be run by people who know exactly what war is and why cynicism and bribery during war is treason,” Mr Zelenskyy said on Friday.
‘recruitment’ lmao
There are a huge number of racists in Ukraine but that doesn’t make it a monolith. When you see things like 76% approval for Bandera, some people support him killing Jews but some were genuinely miseducated on him.
Also, a lot of these people have families in places where bombs have fallen, will fall, or are currently falling. In the face of a massive enemy like Russia, even as a Ukrainian reactionary there is a good case to be made to just stay and protect your family since you aren’t going to stop the bombs. Being there to rescue a survivor right after a bomb hits is much more likely to help them than making sure a thermobaric missile kills 17 people instead of 16 on the front lines.
some Ukrainians are being coerced into serving. libs will call me a Russian bot for this,
Nah they can’t, even western news outlets acknowledged that zelenskyyyy banned all working age men from leaving the country, effectively condemning them to die in the war as cannon fodder for NATO.
libs will call me a Russian bot for this, but i dont think the same can be said for Russia.
I think they were talking about libs calling them a bot for saying Russia didn’t have to rely on coercion. I’d still disagree with that though because afaik Russia actually has been (or at least was at one point, correct me if that’s changed) using conscripts in Ukraine.
I’m not sure if there’s been conscription of new soldiers, but Russia has taken some pretty marked measures to ensure they have enough people - Retirements for older soldiers have been postponed, they’ve called in retired technicians and specialists to take over positions within russia to free up young workers for military duties. I think there was some serious resistance to the call up early on. Maybe not widespread, but enough to be noteworthy.
those are typical wartime measures tho. unemployment is currently incredibly low in Russia, so pulling ppl out of retirement is to maintain a reserve army of labor. i dont think this is good and hope Russia has a proletarian revolution, but by capitalist standards, they arent acting inordinately cruel
libs will call me a Russian bot
Everyone who disagrees with me is a lib is great defense. Chuds will disagree with me though
Quite a leap you do there. Ignoring political science and social science of more than 100 years, ignoring how social democratic liberals in the Weimar Republic did ally with conservatives and the military against party member who weren’t in favour of the war with talk of traitors and propaganda of being the voice of the enemy (which is the back then equivalent of “Russian Bots”) is certainly something.
You also ignore the difference i.e. from USA liberal’s who favour property rights over people’s lives and often espouse values only as long as it doesn’t cost a thing and how they do support the US empire and often its wars.
You also leap since OP didn’t say “all are against me!”, but was precise. That you don’t understand slang is kinda a You problem. You also deny the experience of others, maybe that is something that you also do in your regular life and social interactions? If so you can utilize a change of perspective and behavior to get more from the world. People here - even ones who are far from Russian propaganda - are often called Russian bots by people on many instances, often by people labeling themselves as liberals. I have different views than many on this site and yet I can differentiate what people say.
Finally do you think your argument is in any way new or interesting? Like, what was your motivation to post it?
Biden truly scares me, being so casually ending European prosperity
Biden’s a senile puppet. He didn’t do anything aside from sign whatever was put on his desk by staffers and read whatever was on his teleprompter. Europe was ultimately screwed by its own slavish obedience to deindustrialization, a process decades in the making and orchestrated by the forces of finance. This was enhanced by their millennia-old tangled web of bigotries that made it easy for finance to divide and conquer them. They’d have been fucked over in the exact same way regardless of who sat in the oval office or what colour of lawn sign that person had.
Probably hundreds of thousands of people dead for the ambitions of a handful of gerontocrat crooks and their cronies.
If you want a really bad thought imagine what the Red Army soldiers from WWII would think finding out that Ukraine and Russia were at war and Banderites had taken control of the government and were leading the charge?
Same, I got called a Nazi for saying we shouldn’t send them “lethal aid”, as if flooding a warzone with bullets is how you get less people shot.
Need to have more good guys with a gun after all.
…those guys with Swastikas tattoos are the good guys right?
Every lib I know says this is a genocidal war (despite no proof of any intent to genocide, they just think Putin wants to massacre every Ukrainian ever) and that, responding to that report about crackdowns on draft dodgers, anyone who tries to avoid conscription is a traitor and should be treated as such.
Absolutely deranged the takes one can dig up when one is not threatened in any way.
I think they saw Bucha and were like yep the whole thing is about genocide. Now imagine if they declared a genocide every time the US committed a war crime lol
The only side that wants to “fight to the last Ukrainian” is the NATO side, so it is kind of a genocide just perpetrated by US empire on its puppet state.
- I wouldn’t actually call it that, just making fun of libs who call basically every war now a genocide, unless the US is doing it/or supporting it
“Ukraine bombing the Donbas region from 2014-2022 to eliminate the ethnicity that lived there, killing civilians and children, is totally not genocide. It’s the people who stepped in to stop them that are the real genociders.”
Moving unaccompanied children to a safe place until their parents are located isn’t genocide.
Are libs up to the task of not trivializing genocide? Probably not.
Okay, now carry this logic further. By this standard, the US is currently in the midst of a much larger and longer-running genocide of refugees on it’s southern border, including forced hysterectomies and untreated outbreaks of disease.
So why should anyone believe such a genocidal government’s claims about it’s enemies?
Evacuating kids from an active warzone: genocide
Bombing the fuck out of them with a drone because one person nearby might have been associated to Al Qaeda: just the cost of war
What should happen to children in a warzone, when their parents are either dead or cannot be located? Would leaving children in a warzone constitute inflicting conditions of life on them that would be likely to bring about their physical destruction? If so, does every war constitute genocide?
They are evacuating a warzone. On the other hand the can-adian goverment really is kidnaping syrian children.
Unprovoked invasion is when you let right wing ghouls to ethnically cleanse members of a country’s ethnic majority in a region next door to its border and let NATO use said region as a pressure point.
Putin apologia is when you don’t want to see slavs die for NATO.
You tankies just don't get basic critical thinking smdh my dick head
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an unprovoked invasion
NATO expands: I sleep
Donbass Secedes and wants to be Russian to avoid ethnic persecution from Lviv: Real shit
This is really weird. I just read on quora that Russia has almost no tanks left. I’m not joking.
I remember dozens upon dozens of shitposts on Quora about how Russia was supposedly unable to produce ball bearings because of sanctions. One of the biggest weapons manufacturing powerhouses on the planet.
Every single one of them would end with the phrase: “Sanctions work, just slowly” – i.e. the usual grift from Neoliberals.
Always claim that the big victories are right around the corner, just in reach, just gotta wait a little while longer!! Meanwhile they make off into the distance with whatever spoils they managed to gain during their grift.
I remember dozens upon dozens of shitposts on Quora about how Russia was supposedly unable to produce ball bearings because of sanctions.
Americans seem to have a weird fascination with ball bearings. In WW2 some intel genius figured the German war effort could be crippled by bombing the ball bearing factories in Schweinfurt. The first raid was a desaster; after rebuilding the US Air Forces in Britain for months, they tried again and lost even more bombers. At least Schweinfurt was 98% destroyed.
German motor vehicle production suffered no noticeable impact.
Hilariously, that’s precisely the event those Quora posts were referencing, pretending it was some kind of huge victory.
It’s February 2022. Russia has no tanks left etc :ti
Shit wha’ts the doctor manhattan emoji?
Using a combined arms NATO style attack tactic for the counter offensive when Ukraine basically has no air force was certainly a very smart and good idea with no potential problems. Especially when attacking entrenched and mined Russian positions. Great idea from the NATO military commander failsons
I can only imagine the number of dead and wounded Ukrainian soldiers. This didn’t need to happen.
My friend’s Ukrainian husband just got out, but he’s still in some sort of family visa limbo. He’s story from the last two years is just trauma laden with trauma.
So much fucking senseless death and human tragedy just so the US Empire can stave off its encroaching decay a few years more.
And the ironic part is, if anything, this whole event has only accelerated its demise.
Jesus that’s… This whole situation is fucking awful. : (
Put yeah, propaganda slamming head long in to reality.
Why leopards, though? Are there leopards in Ukraine?
Leopard tanks were the wundwaffe of the month when the counteroffensyiv started.
