Western media have finally change course. They are now admitting that the much promoted Ukrainian counter-offensive has failed. In fact, the acknowledge that it never had a chance to win in the first place.
The Hill, the Washington Post and CNN now agree that the Ukrainian army will never achieve its aims.
western MSM has a rare encounter with reality!
That makes it difficult for the Biden administration to get Congress approval for $24 billion in additional ‘aid’ to Ukraine. It does not make sense to pay for a cause that is evidently lost.
b seems overly hopeful regarding the rationality of US congress, but i think hes right- why would we throw more money at them, US politicians have made it clear they do not support bringing Ukraine into NATO if they do not win this conflict. of course, US politicians are prone to lying and misleading
Nothing has come from the ‘peace conference’ which Saudi Arabia arranged on Ukraine’s behalf
lol. lmao even. props to big dog MBS for trying
Despite the onslaught of bad news the Ukrainian army is still trying to take Russian positions in the south and east of Ukraine. But it simply does not have enough in men and material to break through the lines.
Even if they would manage to get a local breakthrough there are not enough reserves to push for the necessary follow up. Just one of the NATO trained brigades has still been held back. All others have been mauled in their various deployment zones.
nothing has changed it seems
In the northeast around Kupyansk the Russians have started their own offensive which has the Ukrainians on the run. Ukraine has ordered the evacuation of the area
But Kupyansk is a Russian city and people refuse to leave.
show this to the libs claiming Russians are committing genocide in the regions they capture. curious that these civilians are content with Russian occupation when you believe what western media claims
The Russian campaign is slowly speeding up. As the Ukrainian Strana.news reports (machine translation):
Also in Ukraine, it is recorded that from Kupyansk to Bakhmut, Russia has increased the number of attacks.
"Over the past month, the total number of attacks in the Kupyansk, Limansky and Bakhmut directions has grown significantly. In July, during the week there were 6-6.5 thousand attacks, during the last week-9 thousand attacks, " - said the representative of the National Guard Ruslan Muzychuk.
According to him, the Russian Federation does not experience “shell hunger”.
Aviation is also actively used, and over the past few weeks, more than 50 air attacks have been taking place every day, and sometimes more than 80.
That is bad news for the Ukrainian side which lacks the reserves to counter the Russian onslaught. There are also less weapons coming in from the West. F-16 fighter jets will be delayed for another nine months due to training issues. Tanks and other material are in short supply.
these supply issues sure bode well for the west’s performance in WW3
Strana also report of an interview with a knowledgeable Ukrainian soldier (machine translation):
Continuing the topic of the situation at the front, an interesting interview was given by a Ukrainian sniper fighting near Bakhmut with the call sign “Grandfather”. On the air of political scientist Yuri Romanenko, he was introduced as Konstantin Proshinsky (this is a pseudonym).
The fighter spoke in detail about his vision of the situation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Russian army.
- Mobilization. In his opinion, it is conducted incorrectly. Recruits are sent to the front who have never been trained, and they are often over 50 years old and with a whole bunch of diseases.
- No rotation. The soldier says that “the same brigades” are fighting at the front, and people are not taken out of the front line for six months or more. Whereas by Western standards, they can be kept in a war zone for no more than three months.
- Behavior of mid-and high-level commanders. According to Proshinsky, many of them are trying to arrange a “mini-Stalingrad” on the positions, forcing them to go into frontal assaults on well-fortified Russian positions.
- The Russian Army began to fight better.
- Proshinsky believes that Russia has not yet used much of what it has against Ukraine.
The soldier thinks that the Russians will not move from their positions and that a stalemate peace like in Korea would be the end result.
UAF in real dire times— recruiting the elderly, poor logistics, engaging the enemy at inopportune times, and Russia has yet to waver
I believe that to be wrong. Russia’s aim is to liberate at least the four regions that it has claimed for itself. For political reasons it can not stop before that is done.
Should the Ukraine continue to fight after that, Russia is likely to set new aims and take more land.
more editorializing, but it doesnt seem unreasonable. i thought Russia would stick to its original goal of Donetsk and Luhansk, but if Zaporizhzhia and Kherson are receptive to Russian governance, it would be foolish for Russia to give them up
I can’t and won’t speak for every hexbear, but I personally want the war to end as soon as possible. The failure of the counteroffensive to make any actual gains, far under-performing the expectations of most Russia-optimistic commentators (by Russia-optimistic, I mean people who think that Russia is on the trajectory to “win” the war) just goes to show that Ukraine is not going to be able to achieve its war aims. The only thing that could change the trajectory at this point would be full NATO entry into war, which would begin WWIII and be quite likely to lead to nuclear war and the subsequent deaths of billions of people.
Given that Ukraine isn’t going to win, then the only thing that is going to end the war is a negotiated settlement. That settlement would have to concede to Russian war aims, since again, they’re winning. Those aims seem to be the recognition of Russian territorial gains in the war, as well as a neutral status for Ukraine (de-militarization/de-Nazification have been dropped.) I think pro-Ukraine commentators would call this a defeat for Ukraine, but in my view this is the best deal that Ukraine could plausibly get at this point. There’s simply little remaining equipment that NATO is willing to give away that Ukraine is capable of deploying. For example, the F-16s are 9+ months away from being deployed, and I don’t see how a handful of old fighter planes are going to make any difference going up against the most sophisticated anti-air missle systems in the world.
So, reality checks for NATO, Ukraine and the western press are good, because the alternative is throwing away more life for zero return.
The situation is more complex than the media presents it as. The conflict started in 2014 when the Ukrainian government was coup’ed and banned opposition parties, causing seccesionists to rise up in eastern Ukraine. The involved parties signed a cease-fire agreement, but Ukraine violated it by bombarding cities in the disputed territories. Russia sent troops in in response, at the request of the separatists.
We don’t write off the Russian narrative as baseless, but we do have a range of opinions about the conflict, aknowleging that historical context. Personally, I believe that there were (and are) diplomatic solutions that would minimize loss of life but they are being ignored, in part because of domestic pressure from far-right groups in Ukraine, but mostly from US pressure to have a conflict for the sake of the military industrial complex.
The sooner Ukraine loses the less Ukrainians die. We aren’t nationalists so we don’t value national sovereignty(at least inherently).
Among other reasons.
Ah yes, the reputable source of information that is moonofalabama.org. Top tier reporting, folks
Liberals only consider something reputable if a white western millionaire or a government owns it, unless it’s a country the cia has decided is a bad country.
The working class gets its news from each other. This comes in the form of places that aren’t very presentable because they neither have the time nor the budget to make it so. Moonofalabama however has an absolutely massive socialist audience and is very liked here. Perfect? Fuck no. But that’s why you actually READ the CONTENT and apply critical-thinking and your own analysis to it.
The problem with you liberals is that you don’t do any of that. You defer your analysis and opinion making to the millionaires and billionaires that do it for you.
Care less about who something comes from and more about what is actually being said. Form your own god damn opinions.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/moon-of-alabama/
Pro Russian propaganda. Right
no need to think about if mediamiasfactcheck.com has any bias
“Who watches the watchers?” The watchers! Duh!
oh no mediabiasfactcheck.com says it’s not reliable! i’m so owned!
Two other bits on the main page, for context of who it writing at this domain:
The judicial case against Hunter Biden will stay alive.
That increases the possibility that Joe Biden will have to answer questions about his own corrupt dealings related to Hunter Biden’s businesses.
^^ That’s currently in the top article.
And then another has this headline:
World Bank Group Goes Woke
yeah, we know. the current american warchief is a liberal. so the reactionaries hate him too. we hate all american warchiefs. obama, bush, biden. doesn’t matter really.
we know better than any of you that if Trump were president people like the MoA guy would stand a good chance of actually supporting the ukraine war. why? because liberals were bloodthirsty towards syrians and libyans just because obama was in charge of those wars. it’s a feature of american culture that americans are more concerned about the personality of the warlord than wether there is a war. cnn, msnbc, npr, and all liberal capitalist media would have continued to talk about ukraine’s nazi problem if it was Trump who was supporting them.
that said, lmao at anyone who wants to protect their favorite oligarch’s failson. wearing party hackery on their sleeve like that is quite revealing.
I dunno what you’re even arguing. I commented that he’s a failson a few days back, saying that at least he fucks and does drugs, living it up. I don’t care about these people.
I don’t care about these people.
you could have stopped at MoA’s cringe anti-woke posting, yet you have to wear the truth on your sleeve as well:
I’ll have you know this is an improper source, for they commemorate federal investigation of liberal oligarchs.
comments are cheap. some comments are more revealing than others.
Hunter Biden is a corrupt sex pest that would be in jail a long time ago if he wasn’t the son of the president.
The World Bank is a monoplistic financial institution of the imperial core/triad, also known as “the western nations”. It’s primary purpose, along with the IMF, is financial imperialism of the third world.
Please. PLEASE. I don’t give a shit about Joe and Hunter’s grift in Ukraine, good on them, get that bread, It would just be so so so fucking satisfying to watch the Libs tie themselves in knots trying to avoid the cognitive dissonance of admitting that their guy was up to his ears in corruption.
oh no! the biden family corruption is being investigated! that was supposed to stay hidden and unpunished! trump is a criminal and so is biden, both are detestable crooks.
and yeah, the world bank article looks bad if you only read the title. but if you actually read the content, the title is a joke to point at the hypocrisy in the blatant discriminatory lending practices of the world bank
Disgusting waste of lives.
All of this should have fucking ended but Boris Johnson fucked it all. Fuck him and fuck all the liberals that have been spewing bloodthirsty vile shit calling for tens of thousands of lives to be wasted in a fucking meatgrinder for some lines on a map. I do not give a fuck about the Ukrainian state, I do not give a fuck about the Russian state. Lines on a map are not people.
These people deserved better than bloodthirsty assholes.
NYT is running an article today saying they are making progress https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/12/world/europe/russia-ukraine-war.html so I am not sure about western media changing course.
Lazy posting on my part tbh.
It’s looking like the consensus is what’s changed. WaPo and the Hill have turned on the counteroffensive while NYT continues to beat the drum.
