I gotta say the death cult shit on the left is so wildly fucking weird to me. it really is one of those just like entirely sociopathic things where people have just decoupled themselves from empathy so much through frustration and demoralisation they’ve ironically, which always ends up meaning earnestly but detached and with a thin veneer of dismissal, embraced this idea that horrific judgement day levels of shit is needed on certain countries and large groups (not talking about the bourgeoisie here, but the working masses), millions we all openly agree are shaped and brainwashed by systems outside of their control. do bad people and places cause unimaginable pain? for sure, but to then throw that blind injust dehumanised violence back at the masses that characterises imperialism and capitalism is full of this Christian evangelical smite and divine retribution of those who have sinned beyond salvation and must die to cleanse the world.
I already know all the explanations, ‘it’s just a meme’, ‘the imperial core did bad stuff so needs to suffer’, ‘the west will never embrace socialism unless enforcement via mass violence and destruction of all institutions and infrastructure’. but the thing is like, you read any text by international communists, black radical groups, anti imperialists, they literally all say ‘we just want you to stop being assholes so we can be friends who work together’, and so it seems to be this self hatred that fuels this than any outside demands, one which just seems really unnecessary and honestly childish especially from people who claim to have a deeper materialist analysis which breaks down why these opinions and actions are so common and systemically enforced.
Ok DeathToBritain.
everybody knows those sentiments are not ‘kill everybody’ but are ‘we should destroy the system and state that takes out violence upon people’
Everybody as in us :left-unity-4: simple leftists or everybody else :Hoggers: ?
Because I’m pretty sure the popular understanding of “death to <country>” means the country and everybody in it.
Hucking :brick-police: and glass houses or something like that
the iranians have never meant “yankees should be genocided” death to <country> has always been about opposition to imperialism and neocolonialism.
some navel-gazing arrogant americans think half the world literally wants them dead but they’re the most incurious hateful people imaginable so their opinion doesn’t really count on whether victims of the yankees’ slogans hurt their feelings
I’ve been thinking about this today and I feel like ultimately it’s just not that serious
There are a few users here that I’ve noticed who have some things to work out (to put it mildly), but for most people here saying :xi-plz: / death to the west / x years of humuliation / ect are just just venting and letting off steam. “Death to the west” didn’t start in communist forums and it feels like most people here understand the mentality behind saying it. Sometimes after a particularly dismal day in America, asking Xi for a few nukes via emoji scratches that itch of utter hopelessness. That said - the same people who might say that will still go to protests, still do mutual aid, and still try to make any difference. I’m positive nearly everyone here doesn’t actually want to be nuked by China or inflict years of suffering on their entire country
Constant civility in the face of racism, bigotry, and general fascism is fine if that’s your thing, but at a certain point I don’t care if you ended up on the wrong side of the “capitalism brain washed me” spectrum. My patience runs thin on the bigots who would kill me and sometimes I really just need to say some shit to let some of that sadness and fear go
edit - With that said it’s not fair to call this a wrecker take as some people have
:this:
I visited Canada last year (Am 'murican) and a lot of the people were really chill. Yeah, I ran into some people’s party dipshits but I kept my distance.
Quebec and the Maritime provinces were really nice. The former had many friendly people and has a respectable track record for environmentalism (sexy hydropower), and the latter seems more interested in just wanting to fish for God’s sake.
People are just letting off steam in the face of a genocidal power controlling their lives.
Holy shit why are we tone policing this
Fascist: hey I’m going to murder you, your family, and everyone you’ve ever cared about. Also I’m not just saying it. Your government is funding me to do this. I have both a financial and legal obligation to uphold the threats I am making, and you can watch me uphold these threats in real time across the globe and at home.
Commie: I’d prefer if you were the one that was dead instead
Lib other commie: uh excuse me mr commie that’s actually really problematic
Like what are we doing here folks
Commie: I’d prefer if you were the one that was dead instead
I don’t think that’s what the OP is referring to here. I would assume it’s moreso about jokes etc for mass violence against entire countries (Sink England, nuke America etc) that come across as insensitive and frankly weird/gross unless you understand the irony/context behind it and can assume the random person posting on a niche internet forum is joking and doesn’t actually want mass suffering
Nuke America would be a fucked up thing to say if America wasn’t the one that was threatening to nuke everybody all the time, any other country in the world had launched a nuke at an enemy, posadas also didn’t exist, and also if anyone here had any kind of control over such a thing.
Maybe OP comes from some strange alt universe wherein this stuff isn’t occurring
idk I feel like I can wholeheartedly want Justice :maduro-katana-1: : :maduro-katana-2: to be served to the bloodthirsty ghouls who run this empire but a vast majority of the people I know and love who live in the empire hate the empire and are kind, sweet people whose deaths won’t bring justice at all.
I know dismantling the empire will bring suffering of some sort to those living within and without, but to actively strive for the suffering of the masses of the empire seems like impotent rage imo
Our end goal is liberation, not the suffering that can occur along the way. I feel like when people keep going back to ironic statements about the suffering and jokingly act like they look forward to the suffering, it can potentially reflect how right-wingers reinforce and indoctrinate into people their violent beliefs through memes. Obviously we’re different from right-wingers and they actively salivate for day-of-the-rope type stuff, but it doesn’t help if our posting patterns follow similar patterns
this post is fucking lame
I live in UK and when I say for example I want the island to sink into the sea I so obviously don’t mean literally and killing everyone in it including my friends and family. Its an expression of disgust and frustration about the society and institutions not all the individual people.
This post just reads like wrecker shit, to make us argue over pointless bullshit. Not saying it is tho this site isn’t worth infiltrating (yet).
Also people are already dying here as a result of the UK government’s actions, hundreds of thousands of poor people, disabled people, refugees over the last decade alone, to say nothing of the UK’s actions abroad.
I’m not trying to manifest bloodshed; its already here.
but we can still talk about orders of magnitude, c’mon, nuking London kills every black person, every queer person, every woman, and every communist. It’s bad but it’s not like it can’t get much, much worse. We can fix it without burning everyone, good and bad, in nuclear fire or drowning them in the sea
People have to be able to express discomfort, there are a few things people have posted they were uncomfortable with and it really did make me more sensitive to it. Usually its in the moralizing tone, like, everybody has their reasons and rationales and that’s how you assert yourself online. So I think the post is fine even if I disagree
its just like “come on, man” with some of the comments. But even then why not, its fun to have a little chatter. You can’t say its totally a waste, you posted after all. You’re having fun. Its nice to talk about something seriously and not just everyone making jokes, even if some people are embarassing themselves
“Death to America”, “Death to Israel” etc are very common slogans used by a lot of people in the imperial periphery (or at least in the middle east). They do not just mean “death to the American/Israeli state”. I think when you’ve seen your people suffer and your country dismantled by the west, you’re allowed to (a) be extremely upset about it and (b) want revenge
death to X is not what I am talking about. like you can see my username obviously, I know what those slogans mean. I am talking about fro western leftists who want mass death of westerners as punishment for things. and also like genuinely if you even ask Hamas and so on ‘do you think we should mass kill Americans’ they say no
