I gotta say the death cult shit on the left is so wildly fucking weird to me. it really is one of those just like entirely sociopathic things where people have just decoupled themselves from empathy so much through frustration and demoralisation they’ve ironically, which always ends up meaning earnestly but detached and with a thin veneer of dismissal, embraced this idea that horrific judgement day levels of shit is needed on certain countries and large groups (not talking about the bourgeoisie here, but the working masses), millions we all openly agree are shaped and brainwashed by systems outside of their control. do bad people and places cause unimaginable pain? for sure, but to then throw that blind injust dehumanised violence back at the masses that characterises imperialism and capitalism is full of this Christian evangelical smite and divine retribution of those who have sinned beyond salvation and must die to cleanse the world.

I already know all the explanations, ‘it’s just a meme’, ‘the imperial core did bad stuff so needs to suffer’, ‘the west will never embrace socialism unless enforcement via mass violence and destruction of all institutions and infrastructure’. but the thing is like, you read any text by international communists, black radical groups, anti imperialists, they literally all say ‘we just want you to stop being assholes so we can be friends who work together’, and so it seems to be this self hatred that fuels this than any outside demands, one which just seems really unnecessary and honestly childish especially from people who claim to have a deeper materialist analysis which breaks down why these opinions and actions are so common and systemically enforced.

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“Death to America”, “Death to Israel” etc are very common slogans used by a lot of people in the imperial periphery (or at least in the middle east). They do not just mean “death to the American/Israeli state”. I think when you’ve seen your people suffer and your country dismantled by the west, you’re allowed to (a) be extremely upset about it and (b) want revenge

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death to X is not what I am talking about. like you can see my username obviously, I know what those slogans mean. I am talking about fro western leftists who want mass death of westerners as punishment for things. and also like genuinely if you even ask Hamas and so on ‘do you think we should mass kill Americans’ they say no

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