literally stone age hunter-gatherer societies took care of disabled, wounded, and sick members. we have evidence of successful brain surgeries (no, drilling holes in the skull was not just ‘stupid caveman shit’, it is a treatment for brain pressure/swelling), whose patients survived several decades, we have bodies missing limbs from early childhood surviving into elderly years, and basically anyone that ever got eaten by a tiger ends up buried with a tiger skull (because the group they belonged to hunted it down after it became a known threat).
like there’s some valid worry over drug-resistant bacteria and viruses, but i’d rather maybe live to 90 with drug resistant threats to deal with than live to 30 knowing that the bacteria that killed me could have been easily treated lmfao.
basically anyone that ever got eaten by a tiger ends up buried with a tiger skull (because the group they belonged to hunted it down after it became a known threat).
That’s metal as fuck, do you know where I can read more about this?
i can’t find where i first read it, but i think i’m confusing this with Dinofelis, which as far as i can tell probably went exinct due to climate change, but theres a bunch of claims i can’t find sources for saying they were hunted by humans.
If a fellow hexbear is ever eaten by a tiger, I expect all of us to pick up stone axes and hunt it down
One of my favorite videos goes over a few specific cases of disability in prehistory by Trey the Explainer. Personally love the family that seemingly took too good care of their daughter and fed her too many sweets.
we have evidence of successful brain surgeries (no, drilling holes in the skull was not just ‘stupid caveman shit’, it is a treatment for brain pressure/swelling), whose patients survived several decades, we have bodies missing limbs from early childhood surviving into elderly years,
These are injuries and are generally not inherited by future offspring. A weakened immune system due to genetic factors offset by modern medicine will be.
This is a problem but not in the way eugenicists think it is. If there is no evolutionary pressure for something, it will inevitably be lost and become vestigial. The response to this is gene therapy which will hopefully be available before this becomes a major problem. There’s no reason to let random people die since we’ll be able to fix the negative effects before it becomes a problem.
i’d rather maybe live to 90 with drug resistant threats to deal with than live to 30 knowing that the bacteria that killed me could have been easily treated lmfao
Let’s imagine the same scenario, you live to 90 but for every person treated today, 2 people die due to drug resistant bacteria in 40 years. Your scenario only works if drug resistant bacteria won’t kill more people in the future than we could save today. The hopeful solution is that medical science will catch up and be able to deal with resistance. There’s no reason to let people die today for a theoretical, but let’s not stick our heads in the sand.
But you’ve just made up a very speculative hypothetical
It’s a good thing I mentioned in my original comment “But that’s no reason to let people die because of speculation.” The point is that the logic was inconsistent, not that their position is wrong.
You agree with me, you just haven’t read my comment.
Let’s imagine the same scenario, you live to 90 but for every person treated today, 2 people die due to drug resistant bacteria in 40 years. Your scenario only works if drug resistant bacteria won’t kill more people in the future than we could save today. The hopeful solution is that medical science will catch up and be able to deal with resistance. There’s no reason to let people die today for a theoretical, but let’s not stick our heads in the sand.
Longtermist spotted, deploy the pig feces
If we don’t fix this problem, millions could die from anti-biotic resistant bacteria within our livetimes.
Lol longtermist
Is climate activism also longtermist by your metrics? We’re not talking about the sun exploding, we’re talking about stuff you and I will live to see.
well it’s a good thing we let covid rip then, eh? keep those immune muscles well trained!
Your scenario only works if drug resistant bacteria won’t kill more people in the future than we could save today. The hopeful solution is that medical science will catch up and be able to deal with resistance. There’s no reason to let people die today for a theoretical, but let’s not stick our heads in the sand.
Anti-biotic resistance is from people pumping massive amounts of drugs into animals for food in factory farms, not people being saved from dying from a small infection and “stopping natural selection.” It will probably become a huge issue. Fortunately, since drug companies have stopped researching anti-biotics for lack of profit incentive, if we achieve socialism we should be able to solve it.
If there is no evolutionary pressure for something, it will inevitably be lost and become vestigial.
I’m not sure about that. Mutation is a random process, and natural selection is pretty random as well. I don’t think there’s anything inevitable about evolution, and the circumstances that determine if a trait is negative or favorable (for rapid procreation) are constantly changing.
I’m not sure about that. Mutation is a random process,
The problem is entropy. You keep modifying parts of a machine and eventually it’ll break. It is infinitely harder to keeps things working based on random changes than for it to break. It’s like picking a random car part from a store and shoving it in your car regardless of make or model. The chance that it won’t work is the majority. Unless something is necessary for an organisms survival, it is at risk of breaking. After that, the chance it will be fixed by another mutation is nil.
and natural selection is pretty random as well.
No it is not. It’s imperfect but if natural selection was random then evolution would be a farce.
These are injuries and are generally not inherited by future offspring
i never implied otherwise. my point was that humans (and many other animals, like chimpanzees and beavers and dogs and ants) modify their environment to survive, which ‘’‘circumvents evolutionary presures’‘’ according to vulgar eugenicists, and keep ‘useless’ disabled people alive and in their communities, all of which is contrary to ‘eugenics’ (the injured guy was ‘’‘clearly’‘’ genetically inferior, a ‘’‘superior’‘’ specimen would simply have avoided injury)
I love how natural selection has become personified by redditbros & co. as some man behind the curtain literally selecting things that are Universally Good™. Surely it couldn’t be just the effect of random mutations on an organism’s fitness in a particular environment or range of environments
Picturing Steve Buscemi’s character in Spy Kids 2 punching the wall when he learns about penicillin
Shoutouts to the educators trying to instill into people that ‘natural selection’ doesn’t magically turn animals into some mythical super strong super smart optimized ubermensch creatures after being cooked in the oven long enough, it just optimizes for animals who are able to successfully propagate enough to replace the dead.
‘Natural selection’ could ‘optimize’ towards hominids that almost universally die of health complications around 25 as long as they are better at surviving to maturity and cumming in each other and popping out a bunch of babies to continue the cycle.
If the eugenicist model was correct, we would be overrun by super-intelligent and super-strong baby turtles within days, since only like 1 in 10.000 survive to adulthood.
If the eugenicist model was correct then we would all become crabs as it is clearly the most efficient form
who were those two fascist breeding losers that were profiled in the atlantic or whatever last year? they were trying to breed superchildren but at risk of being ableist, neither of them would survive in the wild. they seemed pretty good at capitalism and spreadsheets but were really just complete treat babies.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/family/life/pronatalists-save-mankind-by-having-babies-silicon-valley/
Telegraph did an interview of these two absolute gigaweirdoes from Philly who are representative of the “pronatalist” wing of Effective Altruism/Capital-R Rationalism.
Sleeping in caves is the enemy of natural selection. It lets people with too little body hair survive the cold.
In long-long-long terms it will screw people over when the next big ice-age comes.
The average redditor is a fascist
I think at this point the average redditor is an LLM shilling for the IOF and any number of corporations, so yeah
I saw a comment earlier today that just said “The product is actually very interesting” like that’s a thing that humans say
I saw a comment earlier today that just said “The product is actually very interesting” like that’s a thing that humans say
a few weeks ago there was a tweet going around from a person who got called out for using AI generated email responses, except they did not use any AI, they were just autistic… I wonder how many people who have naturally flat voices/expressions or who learned how to communicate by copying others are going to be unintentionally hurt by people trying to detect AI. sucks for everyone from every angle.
