Oh this has got to be why he’s so prissy about the words gusano and cracker. I swear he’s convinced half of reddit that cracker is an unspeakable slur
Going to bat for “cracker” is really a bad fight for the left to pick. There is nothing to gain, and people who aren’t terminally online will say “you’re carefully litigating whether ‘moron’ is cool, but you’re OK with insulting someone’s skin color?”
But most importantly, there’s nothing to gain.
I think the right knows they’re being silly when they act offended by “cracker”, and so does everybody else. When I was a dumb highschool kid I recall having a conversation with one of my dumb kid friends about this, and laughing at the word “cracker” because how could it possibly be offensive to us white people? It signifies no shame or perceived lower status, unlike other slurs. Libs get this even if they pretend not to.
edit: just to add, I think all you need to do is point out that anybody pretending to be offended by cracker is really just mad they’re not allowed to use actual offensive slurs, not at the word “cracker”
If some chud tries to equate cracker with the n-word that’s a fight worth having: persuadable people instinctively know we’re right and you can educate people by explaining why. There is actually something to gain there, because the reason is basically structural racism, a topic most people do not adequately understand, much less confront.
What’s silly is insisting that a term insulting one’s skin color isn’t racist at all. You get nothing out of that fight you don’t already get out of “of course cracker isn’t anywhere near as bad as the n-word,” but now most people are thinking “I don’t know, ripping on someone’s skin color seems pretty racist to me.”
Picking your battles is good, actually.
You’re right. There’s nothing to gain because “Cracker” is too light hearted to have the intended effect. I propose we pivot to “Cum skin” instead.
Going to bat for “cracker” is really a bad fight for the left to pick.
No.
Tailism and concern trolling about not offending whitey is weak liberal shit.
Are you even a leftist or do you just like le weed?
Re-defining racism to mean structural racism and structural racism only is commandism, not tailism:
Commandism is wrong in any type of work, because in overstepping the level of political consciousness of the masses and violating the principle of voluntary mass action it reflects the disease of impetuosity. Our comrades must not assume that everything they themselves understand is understood by the masses. Whether the masses understand it and are ready to take action can be discovered only by going into their midst and making investigations.
If you “make investigations,” you’ll find that most people define racism as something like “prejudice or hate based on skin color.” They would say, for instance, that a black American manager who gives their white employees all the shit assignments is racist in a similar way to a white manager who gives black employees shit assignments, even though the U.S. is overwhelmingly racist against black people.
It’s my people’s word, I get to decide who can use it in my company and I give the pass to everyone (this is also the only real pass there is)
There’s also nothing to gain by catering to people who get pissy about it, but making them angry is amusing
Counterpoint, I am extremely white looking, with Italian and English ancestry, and cracker being a slur “against” me is the funniest concept ever. If anyone called it me in an earnest attempt to insult or hurt me, I’d probably be hurt only by laughing. Especially being from Florida where there was a running gag of Florida Crackers (a historical term/job description), being a semi-common joke slur used.
There is as much to be gained going to bat for ‘cracker’ as there is in any argument over bigotry being symmetrically applicable to both the oppressor and the oppressed. In a framework of white supremacism, which has been imposed onto the world by western cultural hegemony, all peoples are to be racially denigrated in favor of the “white race.” This can be done by white or non-white people, but it can only be done to non-white people. One can be prejudiced against white people and can call them names, and that is a direct result of this system of racism, but it isn’t a part of it
This concept is important for understanding any dynamic of oppression. Anti-white racism isn’t possible because it’s predicted on ‘white’ being anything other than the identity construct created solely to “be supreme.” Misandry isn’t possible under patriarchy because its concept of manhood is the same type of construct. Classist bigotry can not be applied against the ruling class for the same reason, ‘cissie’ can not be a slur, and so on
Cracker doesn’t just mean white, it comes from “whip-cracker” and is essentially a term for white supremacists.
there’s nothing to gain
“There’s nothing to gain by attacking Israeli settlers”
So here’s the thing, if you get people saying the second part tell them that we should indeed focus our attention on words that have the power to harm people. White people aren’t oppressed for being white, so remarks describe white people (and cracker specifically refers to white supremacists) don’t really have the same harmful connotations so conversely why should we prioritize the sensibilities of the powerful over the vulnerability of the powerless?
Insulting? Cracker isn’t and insult, and it doesn’t have the historical baggage the n-word does. The issue isn’t the word here. Anyone wight person that takes offense at cracker will be offended at an alternative term, and if we just said white, they’d accuse us of making it about race or whatever, which is doubly hilarious since wight isn’t a race.
Policing “cracker” withthis argument is exactly like advocating for the use of the r-slur. The people who’d hear our ideas and would be more open to them if we used neurodivergence slurs is an empty set, so is the people who’d be perceptive but would be taken aback by wights being called cracker. In a nutshell, there’s nothing to be gained by dropping it.
I’ve come around to the point of view that white males throwing around cracker in online forums is cringe but that’s as far as I’ll go.
Like, they’re identifying with the targeted group when actually they’re part of the privileged group and you don’t get to just disown structural privilege like that which makes it cringe for that group to throw around. Edgelord leftists who hate their privilege which is great but seek to disown it at the same time which isn’t actually possible. Cringe.
People who are not white male teens / early 20s / tech bros can use it as much as they like imo.
I’ve come around to the point of view that white males throwing around cracker in online forums is cringe
You’re being cringe for going this far out of your way to be upset about people saying cracker.
but that’s as far as I’ll go.
I hope you actually do that and stop posting cringe for a while.
anybody else kind of sick of hearing about this moron? can we update the Vaushpost rule to include Destinyposting?
I never learned who any of these YouTubers (?) are and I could not be more happy about that
I somehow managed to miss everything Destiny posted until about a month ago. Suddenly I’m seeing him vouch for genocide, stand up for those poor oppressed super market chains, and other shitty stuff. My life was more serene when I only vaguely knew that guy’s channel existed.
destiny being a darling of the internet left for a hot minute after he outed jontron as a white supremacist was genuinely an isolating moment. dude loved him some ableist slurs, and instead of reflecting on it like the thoughtful guy he presented himself as he instead brought on some random autistic woman to “debate” why it’s ok for him to say the R slur.
hearing praise for the guy while he made autistics his punching bag was awful. being told that even the most tolerant and accepting people still don’t care about you, that the people who don’t use any slurs still use you as a “woke” substitute, it made me realise the need for a specifically autistic left. it wasn’t until destiny finally got tempbanned for his use of slurs that people became actually critical of him, but it took a while for left spaces online to actually stop calling everything disliked autistic.
No fucking way. That has to be a bit. She just refers to it as a plantation??
technically anything that grows a cash crop is a plantation. If a sugar cane plantation had collective ownership it be a plantation co-op. Just like how it would be a farm co-op if it grew veggies.
The weird part is avoiding ownership and work. “we lived on a sugar can plantation” versus “we lived on our sugarcane plantation.” Her talking about the quaint idyllic life of harvesting sugarcane ignoring the, potentially, hundreds of slaves that were actually doing the harvesting, also strange and weird and sus.
also sugarcane is like a thick tree branch so ain’t no way a 4-yr-old is harvesting anything with a sickle other than sprouts or leaves
Also harvesting it is dangerous difficult work that nobody would want their kid to do anyway. We love our gusanos don’t we folks
no wonder the dude is a landlord, it runs in the family
Would you still love me if i was a worm?
No!
