The Taliban is willing to murder people to keep them in line. The US DOD was not willing to kill the thousands of people extrajudicially that would have bern needed to stop the drug trade.
Edit: EXTRAJUDICIALLY means without a trial or in this case as a directive from the WH. They aren’t in theory just murdering for the sake of murdering. The Tailban, on the other hand, are less focused on trials for these people though they are turning a blind eye to the growth of the opium trade post 2021 takeover.
The US is willing to kill hundreds of thousands (millions) of people for trying to pass things like small labor reforms i.e the Jakarta Method in Indonesia
Americans are the drug trade, the world supply of opium dropped to almost nothing after Americans retreated from Afghanistan and the Taliban re-established their already right-wing, pre-American invasion policies on poppy crops.
The drug war funds the CIA black budget the same way Civil Asset Forfeiture funds your local police department.
The USA is willing to let other people kill people in Jakarta. The US military is not doing it themselves which is the difference here. The US DoD would have to sign off on the extrajudicial killings of Afghani civilians vs not engaging in war crimes to stop killing in Indonesia.
The rest of your post compounds on that ignorance.
Not sure why you’re drawing a magical difference between the US military telling its troops to do it and the US military telling some other troops to do it. Both are happening at the request of the US.
The USA is willing to let other people kill people in Jakarta. The US military is not doing it themselves which is the difference here.
That’s not what the Jakarta method is, sorry but you don’t know what you’re talking about.
The rest of your post compounds on that ignorance.
You can try saying that but you have a giant gap in your history education, and with that, a fundamentally incomplete way of seeing and interpreting the world, and world events.
You don’t seem to be aware of Afghanistan pre-American intervention, the left direction of Afghanistan’s development (the sovietization of Afghanistan), its former place in the international socialist bloc, or the reasons driving the nation’s current relations with China.
Take a long look at America’s relationship to the UAE and Israeli right-bulwarks and the general relationship and co-operation between the Soviets and the Islamic regions of the world. For whatever mistakes they made there were strong bonds between Soviets and Islam and together they would have built the middle east into the center of the advanced world again. The eastern republics would have landed on the Lunar South pole well before India did this month.
The US has no interest in mutual and internationalist development, the entire core logic of the American project is post-colonial extraction. There aren’t sufficient democratic structures of enough robustness and sophistication to steer the project otherwise. Underlying any and all decisions by the American state is nothing and only capital.
The US actively backed Suharto to coup the democratically elected government of Indonesia and then western press ran apologia for both the military coup and the murder of 1 million communists, feminists and ethnic minorities by the aforementioned unelected US backed military dictatorship
So what you’re saying is, if I were to hire a hitman to take out your sorry white cracker ass, I would be completely justified and be free of any blame?
I’m sorry what? What do you think the US was doing in Afghanistan for 20 years. The US loves an extrajudicial killing.
The Taliban have achieved this by offering better prices for food crops, which is what they need due to us sanctions. So it turns out that the us did have the power all along.
Also, that’s another thing the us likes to do, starve countries that don’t dance to their tune.
Your first paragraph makes it clear you don’t understand what extrajudicial means. Is there any point in reading past there?
Extrajudicial means a killing without a legal ruling, what do you thing it means? The taleban executing someone isn’t extrajudicial, because the government of Afghanistan (the taleban) has ruled that it isn’t. Notice how legality in no way informs morality. Also the United States killed a shitton of people extrajudiciously in Afghanistan.
The US DOD was not willing to kill the thousands of people extrajudicially
Lol ahahaha good one! Lmfao
Key word is “extrajudicial”. We could easily have stopped the drug trade if Americans were willing to accept the wholesale destruction of Afghanistan.
if Americans were willing to accept the wholesale destruction of Afghanistan.
Americans didn’t give a fuck what happened in Afghanistan what fucking planet are you on??? They supported carpet bombing it. How old are you? Were you still a child when it started and can’t remember what it was actually like?
They don’t care, Americans destroyed every building in Korea (the famous “no targets remaining” quote). Giving almost every right-wing group in the country rifles and stinger missiles, to throw the country into a permanent state of civil war, has the exact same effect as carpet bombing.
Minus the invasion consolidating into a left-wing anti-American socialist front, which happened in Korea, Vietnam, Laos and Cuba.
A permanent civil war, lead by a right wing government, still allows the export of surplus value which is collected by Americans. A left-wing government would try to keep that surplus inside the country to further develop means of production.
It’s called Shock therapy and even some liberals (the most politically educated and articulate) are conscious of this happening.
Henry Kissinger’s life work is architecting American interventions that result in right-wing reactions rather than left-wing ones. Give all the right-wing groups guns, they kill the left, the country remains defenceless from extraction, and by the time Americans intervene it’s multiple squabbling right-wing militias instead of a united socialist front with an industrial base and functioning anti-air missiles.
The Taliban is willing to murder people to keep them in line. The US DOD was not willing to kill the thousands of people extrajudicially
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA holy shit people actually believe this.
Have you read the Jakarta Method?
They are an idiot troll and I feel like I wasted my time reading through their deranged contributions to this thread.
But your book recommendation made it worth it! Thanks!
It is very painful and difficult to read.
Every single person the book talks about is a person like every user here on Hexbear, with the same beliefs and ideals of a world future united and free of capitalist exploitation. It is very painful and very difficult to get through if you humanise the numbers, each with a family that was destroyed.
For any americans looking to seriously break lingering nationalist brainworms they may have I also like:
The US was willing to kill half a million Iraqi children to prevent Saddam Hussein from rebuilding Iraq.
What the fuck are you talking about? The first war was over the invasion of Kuwait. The second war was to steal oil. At no time did we attack to prevent Sadam from rebuilding.
You’re somewhat agreeing - by preventing rebuilding, it becomes a lot easier to build/steal a country’s oil refineries. You already admit one invasion was over oil - Surely you can see how invading a country and killing tens/hundreds of thousands of civilians just to steal oil is ‘extrajudicial’ killing?
The US DOD was not willing to kill the thousands of people extrajudicially that would have bern needed to stop the drug trade.
this might unironically be the funniest and most incorrect statement ever posted. it’s so divorced from reality that you must have typoed and meant some other place. the US has not once ever stopped murdering tens of thousands – or even millions – of people for the sake of a quick buck. please, dear god, listen to the Blowback podcast. you’re talking about the military that firebombed Korea so hard that people had to live in caves in order to survive after virtually every single city was completely and totally leveled, kill 20% of the population, all to institute a despotic police state in the name of repressing every single progressive tendency in the population.
This might actually take the award for Most Unhinged Comment Since Federation. Holy fucking shit.
Fuck the Taliban and the US war machine, they are both fucking assholes esp. the way Americans ran the fuck away from AFGHANISTAN, but facts are fact, Taliban nuked that trade while the US allowed it to flourished. It does not make Taliban better in general, they are still close minded, uneducated door knobs, just like half the US rednecks.
The Taliban closed the opium trade but the big picture is they are still exporting low-value form commodities (raw oil, ore) instead of retaining enough surplus to develop the means to produce high-value form goods (gasoline, electronics, stainless steel medical needles) which is what a left wing government would (did, 1987-1992) do.
If the U.S Government was unsuccessful in supplying and elevating the Gorbachev clique into power and unsuccessful in arming the Mujahideen+ affiliates (which consolidated into the Taliban), the Republic of Afghanistan would probably have fully secularized and industrialized by now.
Any space for right extremism would have been taken up by universal high education, land-reform, cyberneticist economic planning, advanced high-value production and other zero-poverty + full-employment initiatives.
https://www.unodc.org/documents/crop-monitoring/Afghanistan/Opium_cultivation_Afghanistan_2022.pdf
It has grown since the Taliban took it back
Literal BS.
This crackdown seems to be successful, causing a significant drop in opium farming. While the ban impacts farmers financially, the long-term effects on heroin markets remain uncertain
Lmao the law isn’t some infallible deity. It’s a tool of oppression wielded by those in power. The fact that someone got killed, but a judge said it was ok, doesn’t mean it’s in any way not a murder.
Though I’d like to see the trial of the wedding that got dronestriked, or the many other civilians murdered by the us in Afghanistan.
They aren’t in theory just murdering for the sake of murdering.
or in this case as a directive from the WH.
