Maybe both Reddit and the rest of Lemmy are echo chambers of anti-China voices too, but believe it or not, there actually are a few users that are pro-China on there, unlike on hexbear.net where there are no anti-China voices at all. It’s pretty obvious which platform is more of an echo chamber.

someone hasnt seen our weekly China struggle sessions

a community centered around hating on others

It’s more of a community centered around catharsis and commiseration, and occasionally changing people’s minds who are open to it, but go off

Edit: oh yeah and comradeliness ofc

federation is kind of the new thing and being mean to libs is flavor of the week at the moment. people will get bored of it after a bit and we’ll go back to our normal posting.

不知道你在这种语境撤这些有的没得民众感情道德绑架理念是几分意思

又没人提倡武合，大家反对的是丑国名面上打着自由民主的旗暗地里进行借刀杀人的参与和干扰东亚地区地缘政治的伪君子行为。湾湾就是美帝独裁梦的弃子，不要说两岸了，这点连这论坛上的老外都很清楚，何必在这装惨诉苦呢

殖人眼里应该只要不是资的本走狗就是粉红吧

Tbf this is a very unusual time in the websites history due to the federation, and sorting by hot or new or, uh, “all time - month” will look very different.

It’s also just false that there are no anti-china people. For example, we have a weird Khrushchevite who says that he and only he is the one good head of state to hold office at any point from 1950 to now.

You can also find plenty of people who have criticisms of China (myself still included) but just hate the bullshit western articles that get shared on lemmy.ml or whatever. Between

1. a group where 98% of relevant users are vehemently anti-china and 2% are for, but there is a profound consensus among the 98% that mediabiasfactcheck.org is a good website and the BBC is objective in its coverage of China as it puts out absolute pablum articles against it

Vs 2) a group where (let’s just say) 100% of the user base at least supports China over America but they are able to have real discussions about journalistic epistemology and media bias that doesn’t equate “unbiased” with “bipartisan”.

I think 2 is a lot less of an echo chamber because the presence of people with absolutely moronic and uncritical responses to media are not a substantial indicator of something succeeding in not being an echo chamber. Consensus within a finite population is a real social phenomenon and the vast majority of people can be reasoned with over time.

Edit: “but you just like your own media!”

Look at what we actually talk about. There is some use of Chinese or sometimes Russian press for reference, but the focus is overwhelmingly still on western sources because you can find a lot of useful information even in spite of the author’s intentions much of the time, and no one is using some Chinese NGO as a fucking measuring stick for what source is objective and what isn’t (and Russian media is automatically criticized, but that is an aside).

Ngl, right now the lib dunking is the like, idk, thing we’ve been doing now that hexbear has been released onto Lemmy. Personally I haven’t really been doing much of that myself except for dunking on some I saw being homophobic in someone’s replies.

But yeah in general we’re not as like universally pro China as we seem from the outside, ngl I’m like more hesitant to be all in for China than some of the other users on this site, it’s just that when it comes to arguing with libs we don’t split from the general hexbear line

But yeah there is a strong sense of community on hexbear, these people helped me understand and come to terms with being trans, the OP of this thread is actually mutuals with me on mastodon and in discord DMs with me and we’re in a discord for trans communists together. She’s given me a lot of really helpful advice and explained a lot of theory to me, and she (and several other hexbears who follow me on fedi) helped me get past my alcoholism. Like I’ve also seen some of the users here manage to crowdfund to avoid homelessness, get hrt, money for food when they can’t work due to an injury, get medical necessities they otherwise wouldn’t be able to afford and the like

TL;DR: we have a real sense of community on

“everyone’s experience is unique!”

There are a staggering number of combinations of identity markers you can pay for! It’s like the NFTs of the offline world!

self-actualization means boxing yourself within the narrow confines of what brands want to sell to you

If you put on the glasses, that’s directly the message of contemporary advertisements. “Buy brand! Brand is superior to competing brand! Look at this fizzy cleaning animation!” tactics are long gone. Brands are now purchased identities and lifestyle signifiers and that’s much worse.

It’s just a lot of thoughts going through my head since federation. I feel like there’s going to be one Reddit clone that will absorb members from all the other would-be clones. Most people will choose the largest Reddit clone by default, which will snowball until there’s only one clone left. Right now, the favored Reddit clone is lemmy.world, but the admins are apparently paranoid about us creating wrecker alts to ruin their shitty instance, so that could be a source of instability. I agree about lemmy.ml. For lemm.me, I’ve noticed a lot of banned users come from that instance and it feels like we get the most pushback from them. I wouldn’t be surprised if they eventually defederate from us, at which point lemmy.world would just completely absorb lemm.me’s users. From the perspective of an incredulous lib who doesn’t understand fascism even when it’s biting them in the ass, the only difference between lemm.me and lemmy.world is one instance federates with Hexbear while the other one doesn’t and once the instance that federates with Hexbear no longer does so, lemm.me just becomes a smaller lemmy.world. I dunno, it’s just a thought I have.

As an aside, here’s an interesting thread in beehaw about whether they should just defederate. I think most people have predicted beehaw would eventually wither away, but I didn’t expect the process to happen this fast. It’s also very interesting how even the libs at beehaw recognize some of the flaws of Reddit (they’ve taken out downvotes like us for largely the same reasons). They at least understand that trying to recreate Reddit when Reddit already exists is a terrible idea. However, being libs, they are hampered by having a terrible intellectual framework. They also have a huge civility fetish such as some loser in that same thread shamelessly admitting they would deal with a transphobe than some angry person.

Do I have to trans my gender? Can’t I just, like, not have one at all? I’d hate to lug something around I don’t need anyway.

Also, what the hell is that instance name?

Thanks for the pointers though!

Uh… but you did just mention the thing you’re telling me not to mention.
I prefer indoor cats anyway.

With “don’t be sectarian” I’m guessing you mean “don’t start fights over the specific flavour of lefty”? By some definition, willingness to bash the fash would also be considered sectarian, hence the question.