Thumbnail is clickbait in the sense that the video does not address specific instances by specific creators, but is more of a call on everyone to reflect on certain behaviors we might/might not engage with. Just watch the first two minutes if that’s all the time you have right now, but do that much at least.
Edit: Some people are taking quotes that the AI has written in a comment and acting as if that’s what’s actually in the video. It’s not. I thought it should be obvious that if you want to critique the video, you have to watch it rather than depend on an AI to to provide a a summary.
This. the ironic misogyny and vibes you get from these places is grating if your not a cis male. and as much as I liked true anon brace’s ironic misogyny put me off so much I stopped watching for a while. Like duh women don’t wanna listen to that shit! it got old when right-wingers and centrists do it, it literally just puts off potential leftists with the way some figures on the left operate. is an egregious example of this as always.
What I’m saying that leftist men need to read feminist theory and do some unpacking about trans/cis women. It’s the bare minimum in 2023
Brace said some weird shit about Elizabeth Warren that was super off putting and needlessly sexual. And she fucking sucks. But she sucks because of the shit she has done both in and out of politics not because she’s a woman. I mean, he’s a pretty funny dude but he was off the mark there.
Brace said some weird shit about Elizabeth Warren that was super off putting and needlessly sexual.
which episode?
Law of diminishing returns. It gets super old and disappointing when it’s from a fellow leftist.
Counterpoint, I don’t find it funny. I find it grating. It’s just subjective humor at the end of the day
It is, that’s why hand-wringing about it as an example of patriarchy is so silly.
“Breadtube” is not “the left”, it’s an edutainment personal lifestyle brand masquerading as a political movement.
I don’t remotely care for BadEmpanada in general, but any online community dealing in “breadtube” ““content”” should have his video on the topic permanently pinned at the top.
churches are better at incorporating women then the left is at this moment in time.
Church organizations tend to have more funding and larger congregations, they tend to have more veteran organizers and larger pools of people to draw on, and they tend to leverage a moral imperative that’s been baked into the congregation’s social life since birth rather than formulating a rallying cry lots of westerners haven’t heard in decades.
I noticed this in a local dsa chapter where they had to meet a quota of 50 % women in org in positions of leadership, but they would quickly promote people who weren’t ready for leadership as they had not enough experience
Young organizations are going to struggle with finding and promoting leaders. Lots of this is going to be trial-and-error. The fact that DSA leadership is making a good-faith effort to equitably include people is good. However, simply establishing arbitrary quotas doesn’t work, because the people you’re appointing as “leaders” don’t have a following.
This isn’t even strictly an experience problem. Large organizations are often amalgamations of smaller cliches and social groups. Extended families, religiously inclined business owners, and neighborhood/school groups will make up pockets of support in the church that the folks at the top of the hierarchy have to court in order to get anything done.
So perhaps the problem isn’t that the DSA needs more women leaders (or… more non-binary males? Woof) but more outreach to women’s groups that already exist in the area.
Are there local junior leagues, nurses unions, PTAs, or… idk… church groups, that DSA members could collaborate with? Rather than looking for women to be leaders, perhaps you can look for existing leaders in the community who are also women?
Wow it’s almost like strict demographic quotas and tokenism do not lead to societal advancement and instead have people being weird about it! It’s the mentality of girlboss feminism that says that progress is when people who are oppressed in one way get to be the oppressors in a different way.
I noticed this in a local dsa chapter where they had to meet a quota of 50 % women in org in positions of leadership, but they would quickly promote people who weren’t ready for leadership as they had not enough experience, they would burn out and leave with in a year or two and now they where asking male members to identify as non binary because they burned all the local cadres out. Just to fill the quota. I guess I feel pessimistic at this moment.
Isn’t this a C. Derick Varn anecdote or were you also at a DSA meeting when this happen? If so I’ll just had a correction that in Varn’s anecdote DSA wasn’t asking male members to identify as non binary, but 2 male members were talking to each other and one of them proposed doing that to fill the quota.
I think the point of the story is less “left bad at women” and more…don’t put these quotas in place if they’re not adequate
I wonder which female creators she’s referring to when she says they’re not taken seriously because they’re denounced as too liberal or bougie. Personally I don’t take any of breadtube seriously, but the algorithm has only ever pushed Contra, PT, and…. That’s it as far as I can tell.
And Contra is 1000% a bougie liberal. PT only like, uh, 98%. But if V**sh counts (and OOP counts him), then it’s not like the men aren’t reactionary slop-gourmands, with the better among them* just limiting what they say to the more pure expressions of that in media criticism rather than pretending to really do politics.
Turns out liberalism is a fucking problem that needs to be combated!
*This being a highly relative superlative
Mexie is the only one I could think of that’s mostly ML but phrases things less hard than male MLs might and thus might get ragged on like this.
I think it’s more of a YouTube problem than a left-media problem, or at least way more pronounced on YT, because I can think of so many woman MLs on podcasts but YT is like, IDK, 2-3, especially big name ones? Anything with a visual component is going to be harder on women than men most likely and YT is filled with the worst men imaginable watching things.
Do I still have to watch this if I’m not a leftist?
This, 100%. It’s not about breadtube, but about patriarchy in leftist/activist communities. The “breadtube” part is miniscule. I’ll say this again - if you’re a leftist man, this is a must watch to help you kill the “patriarch within” even if you just watch the first 2-5 mins right now.
Pre-federation I would’ve known this was a bit on sight.
Now I literally had to read your username and then check your profile to make sure.
Can someone tldw this for me? I feel like she beats around the bush too much and doesnt go for the punches
Also she speaks in a very slow and affected manner, which really doesn’t help with a media-addled zoomer brain like mine . . .
I watch everything at 2x anyways lol. Sometimes I go down to 1.5x when I want to savour it.
He does, but it really helps how dry it is. The “affected” part is a poor blend, but it might just be me. She almost sounds like she’s doing an asmr video.
“Sexist!”
Fair reaction, but Contra and PT don’t sound like that to me. Their speech is emphatic but PT’s usually isn’t too affected (though some characters are more than others) and Contra’s is at least pretty punchy. That one teacher lady doesn’t come off that way to me either.
Someone posted an AI summary earlier that got the structure of the essay correct, even if it made the content seem more superficial than it was. You can probably find it in the mod log if you want. I’d still recommended you watch just the first five minutes if you can, though.
