some more discussion of CIA infiltration in anarchist publications here https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2021/10/15/cointelpro-fbi-anarchism-disrupt-left/

70 points

shits on Lenin

Praises Norway

Don’t know if it’s western “lefties”, anarchists or what. Whoever they are - they’re a joke

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NATO leftists. They live in countries that are a part of NATO and want to feel like a revolutionary badass to their conservative families while still parroting pro-NATO propaganda. Japanese “leftists” that do the same shit are honorary members.

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That’s just pathetic

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I’m betting CIA mouthpiece, there’s just so much ML smearing on the front page it’s stupid to think they might legit. Also, it’s not 1920 and the USSR no longer exists! Your average worker does in fact give no shits about what happened 100 years ago!

Truly a waste of time for most, if this was a “party line” release then it maybe could make sense. But it’s not, and so is stupid.

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I’ve always found the fixation on the negative aspects of USSR really weird, and frankly dishonest. USSR was a product of its conditions, and it’s absurd to claim that such problems are somehow inherent in communism. If there is ever a successful communist project in the west, it’s necessarily going to be rooted in the culture and material conditions present at the time. Incidentally, this is precisely why China says that their system isn’t meant to be copied directly by other countries, it’s a product of conditions in China.

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Exactly! However if you try to reason being a communist or advocating communism in Poland most will end the conversation with a thought terminating cliche. Here are few:

  • You want to recreate PRL 1:1 !(Of course by PRL they mean the martial law period 🙄)
  • No oranges, no bananas! (mUh tReAtS)
  • ❄️🍑 (self explanatory)

They completely ignore reality and think within the propaganda they’ve been taught or have internalized.

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Indeed, and this is why the right is now growing rapidly. People become disillusioned with the liberal mainstream and they’ve internalized rejecting the ideas from the left which leaves the right. It also helps that right wing ideas aren’t all that dissimilar from neoliberal ideas making the transition easier. Hence why places like Poland and Hungary are now run by the far right.

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no off-season imports from colonized regions? MFW communists failed to bring oranges from south africa when its winter there and summer on soviet union

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This entire image reads like a joke to me

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Wow, I can’t believe Lenin was personally responsible for all that horrible stuff that happened decades after he died! He truly was ahead of his time!

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I don’t think you can fully or mostly blame world communist movements for being reliant on the USSR. The USSR and other communist movements always face an uphill battle against centuries of propaganda, imperialism, and oppression. It makes sense that the most theoretically and technologically advanced and well-supplied and financially well-off country to foot the bill in order to spread socialism, though I agree that in certain circumstances the USSR did constrain movements and leaders too tightly.

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True to an extent.

I don’t know any M-Ls that won’t admit this when in discussion with other left tendencies (especially when it comes to Spain). I’d like to think Marxists have learned from past mistakes. It’d be nice if anarchists did the same so we could focus on the more immediate picture rather than on historical feuds between different factions a century ago.

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Can you give an example? I mean, providing context for a Soviet decision or elaborating on why the USSR did something doesn’t necessarily mean someone agrees with it.

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What’s the difference between rationalising something and insisting on treating it in its historical and political economic context?

I note as an aside that almost every time someone puts the Ukraine war into context, a lib will claim that this must be (uncritical) support for Russia/Putin. But one doesn’t necessarily follow the other. (I’m giving libs the benefit of the doubt here, as I don’t think most know the difference between critical and uncritical support.)

How does one add nuance if those who’ve already come to a conclusion reject the nuance as rationalisation (apologia?) for leading to a revised conclusion.

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Didn’t the live expectancy rise continually during its existence except during the wars and 1991?

Actually, that’s the one point that isn’t accurate. The life expectancy stagnated since the 1970s, in the USSR and in Warsaw Pact states.

However, countries like Cuba continued rising in life expectancy at a steady pace (except for 1991-1994 for some reason) famously to the point of beating the United States of America.

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