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Another useless wh*teoid scared of an advocacy organization that dares to center minorities. Pisses me off.
I meant as a counterexample or a point of phrase, I’m aware that your argument wasn’t to reduce China’s nuclear arsenal, I was speaking to the character of your argument by a related hypothetical.
I’m also aware of the extreme ramifications of nuclear weapons, but my point was that when it comes to psychopaths like the bourgeoisie, what scares them is a force that hits them where it hurts that they understand.
In the same way that someone may be an evil monster that wants to wantonly murder people, the threat and efficacy of a socialist police force prevents them.
Just because someone disagrees with you or points out the flaws in your logic doesn’t mean you can strawman them.
It’s not imaginary criticism either, and furthermore, no one is pressuring Iran or China into building nukes, it’s called discussion about the worst possible catastrophes and how to mitigate the extreme risk.
Do you really think the capitalists themselves fully understand their inhumanity or evil or the destructive potential of even a single nuclear bomb? That’s mostly or partially a rhetorical question than a literal one.
Building up nuclear weapons is to safeguard and reduce the chance of this conflict escalating, or at least scaring the imperialists into being slightly more reasonable.
War isn’t a bed of roses, and obviously all of this will be incredibly dangerous and expensive and soul-wrenching.
But the west NEEDS the global south to agonize and belly-ache over the morality of all this, because if we don’t, then we all but won already, given the superiority of socialism’s drive and production over capitalism. Refusing to play their game gets us all killed, and I refuse to have the Global South be victim-blamed, when it’s the imperialist nutjobs forcing us all into this situation.
No one is saying to approach this with no safeguards or extensive processes, but if we aren’t collectively willing to do whatever it takes, we have already lost. Do you really think the bad guys aren’t itching to obliterate all of humanity if they think they have no other option? They have to be beaten down and outmatched before they can strike.
How in the fuck is building up a method of attack and deterrence useless? I’m not trying to be a dick, I’m genuinely asking. When the very existence of human civilization, humanity itself, life on Earth, the biosphere, and practically everything humanity knows and loves is at stake, then fundamentally no price is too high.
I wager that China is large enough (as in population wise, labor-force wise, financially, natural resource-rich, and geopolitically allied with and has arguably the best and largest most skillfully-pat down scientists, technicians, and supply chains on Earth to accomplish this, and is almost definitely better able to than the Soviet Union was) take care of it’s people’s population and economy, build socialism, and produce en masse nuclear weapons.
Obviously this shouldn’t be the main focus, and no plan for socialism, humanity or the future should hinge on a single plan, and preparing for war, especially nuclear conflict, is always a soul-wrenching experience, and no one hopes that it should come down to it, but how you anyone honestly say that this isn’t a worthwhile possibility or a last resort?
The cold calculus of war is a harsh mistress, but avoiding all of this is stupid and wrong. It’s incredibly unfair that China and the global south have to put this much forethought and agonizing and picking our battles, and it’s bullshit and evil how badly the odds are stacked against us, but I feel that if socialist/anti-imperialist states don’t take all of this into account, then we have already lost. We have a responsibility, even if it’s unfair and dangerous and cruel, to prepare for the worst and hope for the best.
I wager that it would cost more resources, willpower, money, time, and suffering if more nuclear weapons aren’t built or if we collectively wait until we have no other option, and then it will be too late.
You have a slight point in regards to not exactly going tit for tat against the imperialists and the west, and not losing sight of the bigger picture, but that isn’t an excuse to not do anything, especially when billions of souls and life on Earth are in danger.
You really think the U.S., Britain, France, NATO, and their ilk, aren’t just all itching to obliterate all of humanity if the power of the capitalists is even slightly threatened in the coming years and decades?
I take no relish in saying any of this, I am unfortunately extremely sober, and this shit is fucking scary and inhumane, that we are all put in.
I’m sure you’ve heard the phrase, “the only way to win, is not to play?”
In this case, a better argument is “if the Global South collectively does nothing, then we almost automatically lose, so we have no choice but to play”
Of course the west wants the Global South to agonize over this, because the west are inhumane evil monsters. Having a conscience is extremely difficult, in regards to war. If China or the rest of humanity bellyaches and overly worries about right or wrong about whether or not to build up an arsenal of nuclear weapons, then the west has already one before the conflict has begun. The only way to win is to embrace the danger carefully and intelligently, lest all of our efforts are for nothing.
If I was an advisor or somehow had Xi Jinping’s ear, I would explain all of this. China is already in efforts to massively scale up it’s building/acquisition of nuclear weapons, to get at least several hundred more, which is a good start, but I think that can or should be kicked already into overdrive.
I’m open to discussion and I’m not saying I’m 100 percent right or immovable, and I don’t presume to know more than Xi or the CPC or the Global South.
Edit: Wow, stepped on some toes.
