https://twitter.com/lysenko_weed/status/1545160259878232065

Reminder that farmers in western/imperial core countries are rich land owners who owns all the machinery and relies on exploiting migrant labors; also known as kulaks. And the protest itself are mostly driven by environmentally destructive livestock farmers.

Meanwhile the truckers are bourgeois as they owns their means of production (truck) and they’re protesting on the behalf of corporate interest fighting against unprofitable Covid measures.

edit: alright, the truck part is a very terrible take and that’s on me

Also fuck you if you think service workers are not working class.

Chairman Gonzalo in front of an American flag profile pic

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The Hazites are indeed a purely online reactionary “politics purely as aesthetics” phenomenon, but the Maupinites actually do exist IRL and are embarrassing.

EDIT: Oh yeah and a reminder that idiot Hazite posting like this isn’t a novel way of trying to make the tent bigger by “reaching out” to CHUDs, its *ust engaging in the exact same culture war brain poison that recenters politics on essentially meaningless aesthetic and cultural associations rather than material politics. One of the most prominent and successful examples of actual praxis ongoing right now in the US is the organizing drive among Starbucks service workers, but this shithead with an American flag on his avatar is more concerned with shitting on those workers because Starbucks baristas are culturally and aesthetically associated with liberal cosmopolitanism as a result of media influence. Thats how engaging in culture war on CHUD terms deranges your politics.

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agreed. maybe it really is feds all the down

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:fedposting: not me comrade

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Fed

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Being proletarian and being reactionary aren’t mutually exclusive. Even if we were to agree that everyone in the farmer shite and trucker convoys were proletarian, that doesn’t make them any less reactionary.

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Yes. Focusing too much on categorization is bad. We simply can look at what they’re doing to decide if they’re good or not. We don’t have to rely on categorizing them as working class and then universally declaring all working class to be good.

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Meanwhile the truckers are bourgeois as they owns their means of production (truck)

Dude, this one’s gotta go back to the drawing board. The vast majority of truckers are completely dependent on logistics companies for all their work. They own the means of production in the same way an Uber driver does.

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Yeah. They’re more like tradesmen who own their own tools. In a very, very technical sense you could say they own the means of production, if you squint. But that’s not really their role in the economy.

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“Do you depend on others’ capital/resources to produce things?” “Do others depend on your capital/resources to produce things?”

If the answer to the first question is no (i.e. you’re vertically integrated) or the second question is yes, then you have some control over means of production.

A carpenter is needed for their labor, not their saw. But the carpenter needs wood, not labor, from whoever owns the lumber. Thus, the carpenter is proletariat and the lumber yard owner is bourgeoisie.

@flirty_fawn I think this also gets at the distinction between a truck and fleet. Truck companies need drivers’ labor, not their singular, individual trucks. But the driver absolutely needs a truck, which they must purchase or lease from the bourgeoisie who own fleets.

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Also many has to take out bug loans that the majority of their pay goes to paying back for a while.

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the truckers are bourgeois as they owns their means of production

Uuuh

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The truckers in the convoy were mostly owner-operators

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That’s still a bit much to say they own their means of production. It’s more like a mechanic that owns their own tools; their profit is pretty low, they’re making money off their own labor, and they’re still dependent on the infrastructure of a much more profitable organization.

They are, however, reactionary suckers.

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They’re more like long-distance uber drivers.

Edit: just read further down and several other people just said this, lol

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That’s all fair, but there is still a difference in class character among truckers between owner-operators and others.

Not enough for owner-operators to actually be bourgeios but it’s still worth pointing out.

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Yeah, fine, anyone able to not work for so much time for a brain dead “goal” can’t really be working class I guess

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love being burgeois and having to starve in the gutter if i don’t sell my labour power

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Petit bourgeois would be the more accurate class character of someone who owns their own means of production.

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Weimar Republic Part II

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Except without communists and the Soviet Union this time.

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they’re gonna do to the farmers what they did to the miners in the days of yore, moreso because these reactionary movements lack any kind of coherent organisation, they’ll trash about for a while until they tucker themselves out and then say that any minimal tonken concession they received was the deep state losing power or w/e

of course, they need not obtain results now, just trashing about is another stepping stone on the hypernormalisation trail

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Yeah a competent enough fascist can fake their way into power using the aesthetics and bootstrap into actual mobilization

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The left has already lost

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the representatives of the modern labour movement find that they have plenty to protest against but nothing to despair about. Despair is typical of the classes which are perishing, but the class of wage-workers is growing inevitably, developing and becoming strong in every capitalist society, Russia included. Despair is typical of those who do not understand the causes of evil, see no way out, and are incapable of struggle. The modern industrial proletariat does not belong to the category of such classes.

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Optimism will only get you so far

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