Everything you love will be turned against you for the benefit of the dominant ideology

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:(

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We have to love one another in a way they can’t attach to money

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14 points

Please don’t speak about char siu bao like this ty

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:data-laughing:

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There’s also apparently an “Elon Musk High School” on Mars in NuTrek :doomer:

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63 points

:cringe: :gun-hubris:

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Don’t worry, they’re just studying him to learn what not to do. :thonk-cri:

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I like to think that’s ironic in my head.

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Because Star Trek has NEVER had bad writing in the first season before. :picard-direct-action:

“I don’t know if I’ll ever get used to a woman on the bridge.” - TOS

“Code of Honor” on its entirety- TNG

Refusing to let Garak be gay - DS9

Neelix dating a literal two year-old - VOY

Every decontamination scene - ENT

Every Trek is good and every Trek is cringe. This is the paradox of the franchise and to pretend otherwise is reactionary nostalgia.

Edit: Early faux-native Chakotay is definitely the cringiest part of early VOY.

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yeah but the new ones are definitely a different level of cringe. They got the Alex kurtzman disease now

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I will take a producer who makes some not great films/shows rather than an abusive, sexist bully like Rick Berman.

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hack TV/film writer who sucks. Worked on the Transformer movies and now writes for new trek. He sucks and has lib brainworms.

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The thing about old Trek is that you could argue every series had strong points both from a critical storytelling perspective but also from an ideological basis that easily made up for the low points.

There are far more low points then the ones you listed too. In Voyager Chakotay is basically a made up character based on hollywood stereotypes perpetrated by a literal fraud. Look up Jamake Highwater.

Even in the 90s stupid MSM liberal media were trying to desperately force “diversity” by praising whatever half assed effort made by literal frauds and hacks. Hollywood media praised a character native americans found to be extremely offensive.

But all that said I’d take any season of Voyager over whatever garbage Kurtzman and his hack team makes up. It wasn’t a great show, but there are some excellent Voyager episodes that easily rank among the best of Trek.

You’ll never be able to say this about STD or Picard or whatever shitty spinoff they make next.

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VOY is my favorite series despite Chakotay, Neelix, and other stumbling blocks and it never really reached its full potential due to meddling from Berman and other studio execs. DS9 only got away with innovating because Berman was too busy micromanaging VOY.

As for new shows, they’re not episodic so it’s a fundamentally different way to approach to storytelling. It’s just the landscape of prestige TV. You can’t just pick a self-contained story to compare. Prodigy and Lower Decks are great episodic TV and Strange New Worlds offers a return to that format as well.

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Every decontamination scene - ENT

:spray-bottle: :spray-bottle: :spray-bottle:

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19 points

Rick Berman is high level person of interest for :volcel-judge:

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His gratuitous use of catsuits warrants an entire Volcel task force

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Probably my biggest gripe with Enterprise, like they wrote episodes around T’pol and Trip rubbing each other down at every opportunity.

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Picard has JL saying “Fuck ICE” and that mental illness is not a weakness while in TNG he tries to forcibly relocate a native colony against their will and praising America. One way more cringe than the other.

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Encouraging others to passively consume a product and not expect any improvements of it seems more like a reactionary take to me. Also this cringe is not self contained into the first seasons in these new shows and I don’t understand how you could think otherwise and still call it “cringe.”

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5 points

Nobody in New Trek recites the Pledge of Allegiance for the audience like a kindergarten class.

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And yet he was apparently better for the franchise than Kurtzman.

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45 points

You’re forgetting it’s accidentally based because

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The person referencing Musk is from the Mirror Universe

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This is copium imo, for a few reasons. Mirror universe logic would mean that musk isn’t necessarily bad like he is in our universe. More importantly, no one in the show who was not in the mirror universe thought it was weird. Then there’s this: https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Musk_Junior_High_School as well as a number of other very lib parts of discovery.

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Mirror Universe doesn’t necessarily mean everyone flips their alignment, Miles is a decent dude in both realities.

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This is true, I did not say mirror musk was definitely good. Just that while your headcanon can be whatever you want, it really doesn’t make sense in the context of the show for this to have been a slip up of someone from the mirror universe trying to blend in. From a storytelling standpoint, we as the audience have no idea who mirror elon musk was, and it wasn’t treated like a strange remark, and the show does nothing to establish that the other characters see musk other than a hero or at least major historical figure that greatly impacted technology and space travel and is viewed in a generally positive light.

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this is my head canon - dropping :melon-musk: name was a clue that he came from the mirror universe

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11 points

Ohhhhh for real?

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Yeah. That was the big plot twist for the second half of the season’s story arc.

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12 points

Lmao

If they got paid by Elon to put this in without him knowing it was a fascist character saying it, that’s actually amazing

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:picard-pointing:

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I doubt we’ll have a sci-fi future if Mr. Mask of an unspeakable horror Musk is placed alongside the Wright Brothers in terms of scientific ingenuity.

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Rich guy who hired a bunch of engineers to do coat cost cutting on an already understood scientific problem is the same as being an inventor.

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18 points

The Marxist engineers are trying to convert between yards of linen and coats again

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