slowly radicalizing me and I don’t like it
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Can’t wait for all my leftist friends that I managed to convince electoralism works rubberband back into tankies bc moderates are massive bitches
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this is literally half my friend group rn and I’m running out of counters
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The shitty thing is they’ve really vindicated all the leftist criticisms of moderates being disingenuous incrementalists
Manchin and Sinema are creating more bitter leftists than AOC at this point
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Yeaa, but if the choice ever comes down between AOC-type candidate and a Manchin-type candidate, the libs will do everything possible to get the conservative elected. I’m certain that 2009-2011 was full of similar comments from the libs as well, it didn’t matter when the choice came down between the left and the conservative, they will always choose the conservative.
if the choice ever comes down between AOC-type candidate and a Manchin-type candidate, the libs will do everything possible to get the conservative elected
I mean, a lot of people on here aren’t exactly going to help. They’re going to call AOC a fascist and hold out for a protracted people’s war or general strike. How anyone thinks that’s moving the ball forward, I don’t know.
This is a question I keep coming back to- is there a way to have honest analysis amongst ourselves and also recognizing that some of that analysis suggests actions that aren’t a good idea in this moment?
I personally think a lot of the criticisms of AOC are well founded. But that doesn’t mean I’m going to lead with them when talking to libs I’m trying to radicalize, and I don’t think most people are suggesting that.
I guess what I find weird about comments like yours is you seem to be saying we shouldn’t even be criticizing her amongst ourselves which, just, why?
Reality has shown you cannot trust neoliberal democrats, however neoliberalism is still correct.
Just like the Chicago school freaks saying they made all the right decisions that led up to 2008 and wouldn’t have changed a thing or done anything different.
Neoliberals, sowing: “The only way to make progress is through moderate, incremental change, which you obnoxious children on the left don’t understand”
Neoliberals, reaping: “Okay fine, the leftists where proven right in reality, but they were mean about it so I’m going to stubbornly remain a fucking moron.”
Yeah…they wanted these people, knowing who they were. They got Joe, they got their Senate majority to go with their House majority.
Are they too young to remember how the Obama supermajority years went? Or do they just care more now
They’re too young and have no knowledge of political history. The old sub always pointed out Obama wasted a supermajority and once I started to read old articles from 2009-2012 the leftists were right.
Leftists read history better than everyone and even if I was a liberal I’d probably trust their knowledge of history more than anyone else.
It’ll be funny if Biden gets primaried by some “reformed” Republican in 2024
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Keep going 🌚
