Western media have finally change course. They are now admitting that the much promoted Ukrainian counter-offensive has failed. In fact, the acknowledge that it never had a chance to win in the first place.
The Hill, the Washington Post and CNN now agree that the Ukrainian army will never achieve its aims.
western MSM has a rare encounter with reality!
That makes it difficult for the Biden administration to get Congress approval for $24 billion in additional ‘aid’ to Ukraine. It does not make sense to pay for a cause that is evidently lost.
b seems overly hopeful regarding the rationality of US congress, but i think hes right- why would we throw more money at them, US politicians have made it clear they do not support bringing Ukraine into NATO if they do not win this conflict. of course, US politicians are prone to lying and misleading
Nothing has come from the ‘peace conference’ which Saudi Arabia arranged on Ukraine’s behalf
lol. lmao even. props to big dog MBS for trying
Despite the onslaught of bad news the Ukrainian army is still trying to take Russian positions in the south and east of Ukraine. But it simply does not have enough in men and material to break through the lines.
Even if they would manage to get a local breakthrough there are not enough reserves to push for the necessary follow up. Just one of the NATO trained brigades has still been held back. All others have been mauled in their various deployment zones.
nothing has changed it seems
In the northeast around Kupyansk the Russians have started their own offensive which has the Ukrainians on the run. Ukraine has ordered the evacuation of the area
But Kupyansk is a Russian city and people refuse to leave.
show this to the libs claiming Russians are committing genocide in the regions they capture. curious that these civilians are content with Russian occupation when you believe what western media claims
The Russian campaign is slowly speeding up. As the Ukrainian Strana.news reports (machine translation):
Also in Ukraine, it is recorded that from Kupyansk to Bakhmut, Russia has increased the number of attacks.
"Over the past month, the total number of attacks in the Kupyansk, Limansky and Bakhmut directions has grown significantly. In July, during the week there were 6-6.5 thousand attacks, during the last week-9 thousand attacks, " - said the representative of the National Guard Ruslan Muzychuk.
According to him, the Russian Federation does not experience “shell hunger”.
Aviation is also actively used, and over the past few weeks, more than 50 air attacks have been taking place every day, and sometimes more than 80.
That is bad news for the Ukrainian side which lacks the reserves to counter the Russian onslaught. There are also less weapons coming in from the West. F-16 fighter jets will be delayed for another nine months due to training issues. Tanks and other material are in short supply.
these supply issues sure bode well for the west’s performance in WW3
Strana also report of an interview with a knowledgeable Ukrainian soldier (machine translation):
Continuing the topic of the situation at the front, an interesting interview was given by a Ukrainian sniper fighting near Bakhmut with the call sign “Grandfather”. On the air of political scientist Yuri Romanenko, he was introduced as Konstantin Proshinsky (this is a pseudonym).
The fighter spoke in detail about his vision of the situation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Russian army.
- Mobilization. In his opinion, it is conducted incorrectly. Recruits are sent to the front who have never been trained, and they are often over 50 years old and with a whole bunch of diseases.
- No rotation. The soldier says that “the same brigades” are fighting at the front, and people are not taken out of the front line for six months or more. Whereas by Western standards, they can be kept in a war zone for no more than three months.
- Behavior of mid-and high-level commanders. According to Proshinsky, many of them are trying to arrange a “mini-Stalingrad” on the positions, forcing them to go into frontal assaults on well-fortified Russian positions.
- The Russian Army began to fight better.
- Proshinsky believes that Russia has not yet used much of what it has against Ukraine.
The soldier thinks that the Russians will not move from their positions and that a stalemate peace like in Korea would be the end result.
UAF in real dire times— recruiting the elderly, poor logistics, engaging the enemy at inopportune times, and Russia has yet to waver
I believe that to be wrong. Russia’s aim is to liberate at least the four regions that it has claimed for itself. For political reasons it can not stop before that is done.
Should the Ukraine continue to fight after that, Russia is likely to set new aims and take more land.
more editorializing, but it doesnt seem unreasonable. i thought Russia would stick to its original goal of Donetsk and Luhansk, but if Zaporizhzhia and Kherson are receptive to Russian governance, it would be foolish for Russia to give them up
I keep thinking “damn that’s a really good bit” and then I see the username and remember that we’re federated and it’s not a bit. Damn, that really sucks someone really thinks this.
But it’s hilarious that people like that can’t whine to the mods to suppress posts they disagree with. Federation is going to be fun!
Edit: hilarious the number of authoritarian disinformation shills and bots freaked the fuck out by my comment. Suck. It. Bitches.
When they say bots do they literally mean that they think the comments are AI generated or something? Do they really think that highly of AI like as someone who has worked with it if someone had a script hooked up to gpt replying to all these comments it would be incredibly obvious
On the other hand, perhaps they mean that we’re brainless automatons repeating le outlet propaganda mindlessly without nuance? That has to be the most quintessential example of projection on earth. Literally replying to links and sources with suck. It. Bitches lmfao
Have you heard that (heh) Xi looks like Winnie the Pooh?
Tankies owned again…
Hard to engage with a liberal when they’re operating on an entirely separate version of reality
I thought it was a bit. I’m not entirely convinced it isnt.
Edit: 3 day old account. Definitely a bit
Did you coup their democratically elected leader in 2014 for democracy too?
Is that why you sent them weapons to persecute an ethnic cleansing in their borders for eight years? For democracy?
Americans are the most propagandized people in the entire history of the world.
Americans got the right to vote to select the Ukrainian government in 2014 so yes it is a democracy.
Zelensky (who was elected as a peace president and was supposed to bridge the divide between Ukraine and Russia)
There was a reason Zelensky won about 90% of the 2nd round vote in Donetsk and Luhansk, while his majorities got slimmer and slimmer the further you went West, until you get to Lviv (reactionary capital of Ukraine), the only oblast he didn’t win.
Re: the same Banderites
I think it’s important to note that the UON-B (B for Bandera) never had more than I think 20,000 members in Ukraine, and the fascist Ukrainian insurgent army, UPA I think? Never numbered more than 100,000 fighters before the Soviets crushed their insurrection. It’s utterly bizarre the degree to which a genocidal traitor with a tiny following has been elevated to a national hero with a broad following.
Stingers
Also worth mentioning for anyone who doesn’t know - Stingers, a Man Portable Air Defense System (MANPADS) and other anti-aircraft weapons are some of the most tightly controlled, important, and fraught weapons systems in the world short of weapons of mass destruction. The ability to reliably kill enemy aircraft is simply a necessity in modern combat. To give a state or non-state group additional air-defense assets is an enormous escalation of hostility. MANPADS are especially important because they’re a man-portable system. I think a Stinger team can be as small as two people. So a MANPADS team can pop up just about anywhere and kill a military or civilian aircraft. Non-state militants acquiring MANPADS is a constant security concern around the world. It’s a big deal.
This. Is. An. Investment. In. Democracy.
Investing in Democracy by immediately banning opposition parties in Ukraine and the current government being the result of a manufactured coup against an elected government.
Actually, it’s a result of dissatisfaction with that Government. Zelensky got popular for his reformist Plattform after all, promising among other things improved relations with Russia.
He didn’t deliver, and before the war as I understand it, the popularity of “Servant of the People” was declining, as I understand it.
Hard to improve relations with Russia when you’re breaking agreements with them and shelling the separatist republics for like 7 years, lollll
the popularity of “Servant of the People” was declining, as I understand it.
The Wikipedia chart for polling on what was supposed to be 2023 parliamentary election (unclear when it will actually happen but it’s definitely not as originally scheduled because of martial law):
I’m amazed how you libs always manage to write off anything that even moves slightly from the narrative provided by NATO mouthpieces as ‘bots’ or ‘shills’. It’s dehumanizing and only proves you’re so propagandized engaging with you is almost futile. Some comrades have taken the time to respond to your brainless comment with a wall of text giving a much broader view of the events that led to the war in Ukraine. I know you NAFO idiots don’t like reading, but please try. If you do, great. But I’m assuming you won’t, here is a pig. With. Poop. On. Its. Balls.
Ukraine? The west? Democracy? Were you born yesterday? Since when has the west ever cared for democracy outside of propaganda value?
Just going to post an excerpt of Samir Amin’s thoughts on this from the 2014 coup in Ukraine.
- The current global stage is dominated by the attempt of historical centers of imperialism (the U.S., Western and Central Europe, Japan—hereafter called “the Triad”) to maintain their exclusive control over the planet through a combination of:
a) so-called neo-liberal economic globalization policies allowing financial transnational capital of the Triad to decide alone on all issues in their exclusive interests;
b) the military control of the planet by the U.S. and its subordinate allies (NATO and Japan) in order to annihilate any attempt by any country not of the Triad to move out from under their yoke…
- The current development of the Ukraine tragedy illustrates the reality of the strategic target of the Triad.
The Triad organized in Kiev what ought to be called a “Euro/Nazi putsch.” To achieve their target (separating the historical twin sister nations—the Russian and the Ukrainian), they needed the support of local Nazis.
The rhetoric of the Western medias, claiming that the policies of the Triad aim at promoting democracy, is simply a lie. Nowhere has the Triad promoted democracy. On the contrary these policies have systematically been supporting the most anti-democratic (in some cases “fascist”) local forces. Quasi-fascist in the former Yugoslavia—in Croatia and Kosovo—as well as in the Baltic states and Eastern Europe, Hungary for instance. Eastern Europe has been “integrated” in the European Union not as equal partners, but as “semi-colonies” of major Western and Central European capitalist/imperialist powers. The relation between West and East in the European system is in some degree similar to that which rules the relations between the U.S. and Latin America! In the countries of the South the Triad supported the extreme anti-democratic forces such as, for instance, ultra-reactionary political Islam and, with their complicity, has destroyed societies; the cases of Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Libya illustrate these targets of the Triad imperialist project.
What is in any way democratic about the above? What is democratic about the imperial triad ruling the world by force and instigating a coup in Ukraine to serve their own interests? Seems very authoritarian and the opposite of democracy to me.
You can find the full summary here
I blame Vice and Netflix. People saw Euromaiden through Vice’s reporting and the documentary that was on Netflix and just assumed it was leftists in favor of democracy kicking out a Russian backed dictator.
The wiki page on the coup even lays it out plainly. Straight up Nazis like the Misanthrope Division kicked out elected officials.
No thoughts, head empty, rattling off every good country the NYT has ordered me to support like the obedient repeater that I am
I would say you have an infantile conception of geopolitics, but I would wager that most infants are more knowledgeable by way of ignorance.
Let’s see, we have murderous dictator’s exile island, murderous dictator’s exile peninsula, Nazi shithole, etc etc etc
Pick up a gun and fight, coward
Taiwan, South Korea, Poland
One of these things is not like the other. South Korea and Taiwan are both areas that should be re-unified with the countries that cut them off of, if there is a Formosan population to return it to that may be a solution with Taiwan as well. What’s your beef with Poland?
South Koreans famously love capitalism, which is why all of their most heartfelt media is about how nightmarish capitalism is.
Poland’s Sabre-rattling a lot, I suppose. There’s a Wagner on the border hysteria in Both far-right State media and lib private media, As well as a detailed reporting on basically all battles in Ukraine, etc.
Like ai mentioned in a recent megathread, the government (Morawiecki, I think) announced the movement of 10k troops to the Belarus border.
It’s not, we’re federated now, people really think like this outside our instance lmao
If anyone’s going to attack Poland (which they won’t.) it’s gonna be from it’s own sabre rattling. There’s nothing more that pleases people from PO to PiS and anything inbetween than it’s neighbors getting losses, be it Germany, Russia, Belarus and any country that’s not in its own sphere of influence like the rest of the Reddit Belt
You genuinely think the USA, a country that repeatedly hands power to the person with less votes, really cares about all that ‘will of the people’ stuff?
They sure didn’t care about democracy when they were supporting military dictatorships in Taiwan, South Korea, and numerous other places.
It amazes me the amount of people who don’t realize they could defend democracy better themselves by going to Ukraine and putting themselves on the front line.
If you think the Battle For Democracy is so important, and that it’s going to be won at the cost of hundreds of thousands of dead Ukranians, go put your money where your mouth is. Stop shoving them into the meat grinder so callously and claiming that they’re heroes for Defending Democracy, whatever the fuck that even means. Go jump in with them and make a real impact. If it’s a cause you care about go participate
https://pnhp.org/news/gilens-and-page-average-citizens-have-little-impact-on-public-policy/
In the United States, our findings indicate, the majority does not rule — at least not in the causal sense of actually determining policy outcomes. When a majority of citizens disagrees with economic elites and/or with organized interests, they generally lose. Moreover, because of the strong status quo bias built into the U.S. political system, even when fairly large majorities of Americans favor policy change, they generally do not get it.
https://nitter.net/taiwanplusnews/status/1688897858391732225
Hey just wondering do you think that 1930s-1940s Japan was a democracy?
That’s a hopeful sentiment. If communism would win in Russia, they could retreat
I wish someone would remind Brandon. The 21th century is going to be a nightmare unthinkable in human history no matter what, but it would be nice if we didn’t include a global thermonuclear war.
“This. Is. An. Investment. In. Democracy.”
Imagine typing like this and not being wildly embarassed lmao like you are pretending to do a speech or something
Was it democratic when Zelensky banned every socialist party in the country? Was it democratic when an unelected coup government in Ukraine banned the Russian language from official use, prompting the Russian majority regions to demand autonomy? Was it democratic when Zelensky was voted in on the promise of enforcing Minsk II which would have given autonomy to the Donbass and ended the civil war, but then he immediately reneged on that promise and continued to bomb his own country?
The Russian Federation is by no means a force for good, but if you look at the US it has never “invested in democracy” because it doesn’t care about democracy. It cares about client states getting in line. Pakistan is only the most recent coup they’ve encouraged.
Question for ya, a legitimate one.
If Russia is so weak as to be apparently held in check and or clowned on by Ukraine, an army a fifth of its size, logically Poland or any other Russian border state would have nothing to worry about, right? They all have larger and better equipped militaries.
If that’s the case, why do you think Russia can possibly be a threat to the west?
Democracy is when rich capitalist nations fight each other to the death of innocent civilians
name LITERALLY ONE TIME when the United states fought for and achieved gains for common people of a foreign land
WWII, by accident? it’s the only feasible example and even there I think you can argue that their actions after the war color the war itself in a less than positive light.
Ww2 is interesting because yes that was the one war where the US was justified but they did it in a way that only benefited American interests. And also only after they were attacked first.
kinda sorta yeah, but also it was a sort of greek gift or trojan horse in that US’s participation seemed to largely set them up to be a world superpower after the end of the war. so fighting to protect investments, further other investments, lay the groundwork for modern imperialism as the new capital order. although I know saying “the US was acting in self-interest” isn’t saying much that we don’t already know lol
edit: and y’all already talked about this further down the comment chain lmao, i shoulda read ahead first
Those are bad examples of democracies, since Poland is captured by the right wing and Taiwan and Korea only swing left when there’s a popular uprising. These countries have elected bodies, but they don’t reflect the will of the people.
I’d encourage you to take a look into the foundation of Taiwan and the Republic of Korea.
As far as defending democracy, call me when New Zealand or Bolivia are under attack.
You are aware that both Taiwan and South Korea were both US backed dictatorships that only embraced “democracy” relatively recent and after intense and sustained public pressure, right? And that the US/NATO had secretly worked to rig elections in Italy and Greece (at least this is what the CIA has actually admitted to)? The idea that the US or NATO cares about protecting democracy is a complete joke to anyone with even a basic knowledge of Cold War history. You really should do some serious research and educate yourself on the topic.
South Korean “democracy” is about as sketchy as it gets, given the influence of cults on the government and the government’s general use of crackdowns to control the labor force. It’s still a very heavy handed government, even if the faces change once in a while.
I legitimately thought it was bit until I read the edit. “This. Is. An. Investment. In. Democracy.” could be a site tagline.
post-1991 Ukraine is a proxy of NATO. I feel bad for the people there, but not the government, or the US-backed reactionaries. The truth is, after the USSR was destroyed, former soviet countries like Russia and Ukraine became ruled by reactionary capitalists who bent the knee to the west, and the west did nothing in return but continue to expand NATO, and now pits former soviet countries against each other, getting thousands of people killed just to destabilize and privatize and loot the region even further. I hope one day you’ll be able to see through the veneer of “democracy” rhetoric and see this.
Yeah! Soldiers should be going into non-white countries to rape and kill women, as God and NATO intended.
Its worse than that. They’re OK with soldiers coming into their country to rape and kill women. Well, they’re OK with Azov going into the Donbas Republics to rape and kill Dontest and Luhansk women anyway.
