Terminally unserious understanding of history and scale, the comparison in-and-of-itself trivializes the Holocaust
Equating the two might qualify as actual Holocaust denial.
According to some Jewish orgs it would (sometimes they’re also Zionist themselves though, especially all the big ones like the ADL). Depends what they think of the Beijing riots, but they essentially all consider downplaying the Holocaust as being Holocaust denial. Good catch comrade
Everything is the Holocaust nowadays. Nobody gives a shit about the actual genocide, just the fact that they helped stop it so they’re the good guys and that everybody bad is literally Hitler
Obligatory: https://www.qiaocollective.com/education/tiananmenreadinglist
I also did my own research on this awhile back, and what I found was:
- There was no massacre in the square or anywhere else, full stop.
- There was violence elsewhere in the city, but it wasn’t as one sided as western media would likely portray and several soldiers were killed by rioters in addition to civilians killed.
- The official numbers of dead and wounded likely at least comes close to the official data released.
- The CIA was involved in pushing the protests, and then helped the protest leaders escape after the fact. In other words, it wasn’t just ordinary Chinese people protesting.
- There were legitimate grievances that helped fuel the protests. This also included many who were upset about China’s policies around economic liberalization and the problems that created, which flies in the face of the western narrative.
- There’s room for criticism regarding how it was handled, but again there’s no serious evidence that any “massacre” took place and there’s also evidence of intent to avoid violence in many cases.
Again, this is what I arrived at, but feel free to chime in if any of this is wildly wrong.
There were a lot of different groups, especially early on. There were even some people seemingly protesting the admission of African students to Chinese universities (there was a banner reading “protect Chinese women”, a slogan used at a more focused reactionary protest not long prior)
I think “insurgents” is more appropriate than rioters. They ambushed unarmed PLA troops with molotovs and burned them alive in their trucks and APCs, then egaged the PLA with guns.
Afaik the CIA contingent was very small and the overwhelming majority of students were protesting the Deng government’s liberalization of the market. THere was also a social component - They wanted more social freedom to date and generally be kids, and felt that the very strict traditional expectations put on them were not in line with Communist thought.
Afaik the CIA contingent was very small and the overwhelming majority of students were protesting the Deng government’s liberalization of the market.
These are some of the sources for my claim about CIA involvement that I dug up on newspapers.com:
I think you’re right, but it definitely seems like the “student pro-democracy” leaders were in cahoots with the CIA. Here’s more info on the CIA op to help them escape law enforcement after the fact: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Yellowbird
Also as an unrelated bonus, here’s a great “stupid sexy Fidel” article from I think 1959 or 1960 that I also found on the newspapers site:
it’s ingroup signaling one-up-manship, how will they top themselves next?
“the massacre killed hundreds”
“uh, the massacre killed thousands”
“pretty sure the massacre was equal to the holocaust”
“the true holocene extinction event was perpetrated by china in the nineties”
“the tanks flattened earth, it used to be round”
lemmee users are so used to being in an echo chamber that the real world is a shock to them
Nah let’s be real the real world in the West has none of what we’re saying, which is why they’re experiencing such culture shock
It’s so funny seeing them confused that they can’t peddle the same tired bullshit tactics they’ve been using everywhere else. They’re so used to being completely unopposed in society that it’s genuinely a shock that someone would dare to impugn their intellectual superiority
It’s like a deranged family eating dog shit for dinner every night, telling each other how good the dog shit tastes and how they’re sophisticated and superior for their fine taste in dog shit.
Then they try feeding their delicious dog shit to strangers on the street, everyone goes “yo that’s literally dog shit I’m not fuckin’ eating that” and they go back inside to bitch and cry and moan about the authoritarian strangers who refuse to admit that dog shit is objectively gourmet food
