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normally peaceful country
War in Ukraine started in 2022 when Putler invaded them for no reason. Nothing happened before that.
Um, sir! Sir! This is Russian propaganda, given an article by Wikipedia itself!
Alright, I’ll bite. As someone who’s somewhat ignorant of the situation, what led up to the invasion that would justify it?
Well that depends on your interpretation of what justifies war. If you think nothing does, than obviously nothing will. I don’t think Russia is justified, but that their position is understandable. The Ukrainian military shelled Russian speaking civilians in Donbas. They also, deliberately or not, fired over the border and killed Russian citizens in Russia. They dammed a river supplying 80% of the fresh water into Crimea which had rebelled and join the Russian Federation. Ukraine was also seeking NATO membership, which would mean that anything that could have constituted an attack on Ukraine by Russian would have triggered war with all of NATO, meaning that unless Russia acted now Ukraine could have continued to kill Ukrainians of Russian ethnicity with impunity under NATO’s protection. Basically with Ukraine in NATO, the US could trivially engineer a full scale war with Russia at any time.
Parts of Ukraine are heavily populated by people of Russian decent, who speak Russian, they are discriminated against by the government and by ethnic Ukrainians. Before the invasion Ukraine had made it mandatory for all public servants to speak Ukrainian for example. The US assisted right wing militia to coup the Ukrainian government in 2014 because the president was seen as pro-Russia.
There was an ongoing civil war, drawn along ethnic lines. The US always intended to escalate this conflict as a way to hurt Russia and Putin decided to strike before he had to face a NATO protected belligerent on the border. You might not agree that this is justification, but I think it puts paid to the suggestion that the war was merely territorial aggression by an inherently militaristic government against a peaceful one.
Oh it’s not that it’s justified, it’s just insane to call a country “normally peaceful” when they had an illegal coup followed by a civil war for the last 7 years, mind you the current government is the result of the illegal coup and the breakaway regions supported the legitimate government.
So, just looking over what happened on Wikipedia, it looks like there were violent protests over the leader not joining the EU. A majority of parliament removed him after a lot of chaos. That decision feels understandable given the circumstance. Parliament is elected, which feels like a more democratic decision than one guy’s choice even if you or I disagree. Is there more context I’m missing that would suggest it was a straight up coup?
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/02/the-buildup-to-war-in-ukraine-february-13-2022.html
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Being normally peaceful is when you shell civilians in contravention of the ceasefire agreement you signed, and the more you shell civilians in contravention of the ceasefire agreement you signed, the more normally peaceful you are.
“I think the death penalty is a horrific thing, and I want to do something about it… so, I’m studying to be an executioner.”
The war Ukraine is doing is justified because they’re White and the Russians are, somehow, not white enough. But when it was the DPRK who tried to drive the aggressor out of their peninsula The International Community ™ said that was a big no-no so the US intervened being forced to bomb civilians as a punishment.
When it’s the non-westerners who try to free their land, bombs must fall on their homes. See them call for military intervention in Niger and Burkina Faso because they’re being anti-French (BASED)
