Ah, lemmygrad. Hello from Hexbear. I used to lurk lemmygrad but didn’t have an account. Now I can interact with you people, who I fucking love.
And watch as the libs over on .world all act like they never supported that “shady asiatic” Zelenskyy and were against the war from the start.
I’m guessing we’ll start seeing this narrative go mainstream when it becomes impossible to hide the fact that Ukraine lost. Recriminations are starting already, and at some point I expect that western media will miraculously remember about all the nazis and start talking about how they were cleverly misleading the noble west all along. That’s gonna be the only politically acceptable way to turn off the tap.
The trouble is, when will it ever make economic sense from the perspective of the military industrial complex to turn off the tap? Even if Ukraine offers nothing in payment the European countries sending all their F16s about to become new customers for F35s…
Indeed, now that there’s a credible enemy and NATO was forced to dump a whole bunch of its existing stock, there’s going to be an unlimited tap to produce and sell new weapons. Micheal Hudson loves to talk about the protection racket US managed to setup in Europe.
“The US trusted Zelensky on bad intel, so it’s all no one’s fault really”
Wait until right sector start talking about how they were stabbed in the back by western liberals
Indeed, and then consider that in the context of a CBS report that found only 30% of the weapons the west sends made it to the frontline. A whole bunch of the weapons that Ukraine was flooded with ended up on the black market and made their way into Europe. It’s almost certain that Ukrainian nazis have established networks with the dpmestic ones in a whole bunch of countries at this point. It’s not hard to imagine what sort of things they might be planning once the war is over.
The admins spend days federated with nazi and pedophile shelters bloviating about the importance of free speech, then post a message announcing that they’re defederating from Hexbear, pre-emptively as a last resort, because they oppose NATO and the IMF.
We need a Cassandra emoji
“Ooops we dun did another proxy war, sowwy!”
I hope Ukraine kill all these invading Russian motherfuckers and that Putin dies too.
Yes, we know you libs dream of Russian genocide, but you can keep dreaming.
They probably don’t, but unlike the bourgeois government of Ukraine, the bourgeois government of Russia wasn’t waging a several years long campaign of ethnic violence to redirect working class anger. If Russia is going to prevent a genocide, that’s obviously better.
I have a question for you. Why are liberals so much more interested in protecting the rich than the ethnic minorities they use as scapegoats? You guys do the same thing when you whine about communists in Ukraine fighting antisemitic Ukrainian landlords. How much were my ancestors supposed to endure in order to protect the privilege of the parasites?
The key issue for me is the right of a people to self determination.
The people who live in the eastern parts of Ukraine are overwhelming Russian speaking and identify as ethnically Russian. They voted three times in various ways for some form of preserving their cultural rights, only to have their expression of Democratic will met with violent militias, shelling, and other violence, and then finally voted once again to secede from Ukraine, largely motivated by the extreme hostility from right wing Ukrainian nationalists who were banning the use of Russian, imposing assimilationist education policies, banning political parties that represented the people there, and even banning the free exercise of religion if that religious practice looked to the Russian Orthodox Church for leadership.
The principle of the self determination of a people to choose their own government demands respect and Ukraine has no right to impose their will on a population that doesn’t want it.
You should look at what the people who actually live there, in the east not just those in Kyiv, have been saying for a decade. They don’t want to be part of Ukraine anymore and it’s because of the extreme violence Ukraine has inflicted upon them since 2014.
There was a referendum in the Donbass and people voted to join Russia. Much like happened with Alsace and Lorraine. I’m sorry but we salute the red 🇰🇵 white 🇨🇺 and blue 🇱🇦 here if you don’t like democracy you can fuck off back to lemmy.
Whataboutism is your best defense, and a poor attempt at that?
Equating the two is hilarious. Even so I’m not excusing all the bullshit the US has done.
At least I can say the US has done some terrible shit without getting arrested or killed. Try saying anything bad about Russia or Putin in Russia.
Fun fact, the origin of “whataboutism” was its use as the phrase “whataboutery” during the Troubles in Ireland as the Irish accused the British of atrocities only to be dismissed as “whataboutery”
Weird how it’s always used as a thought terminating cliche to prevent criticism of the dominant empire, huh!
Good thing it only works on idiots like you
Whataboutism is just a rhetorical device trolls try to use to create a double standard for themselves and everyone else when faced with the fact that their side does all the same things they accuse others of. Meanwhile, imagine being such an utter ignoramus to be unaware of all the political violence that US does.
Ukraine has a responsibility to make sure US and foreign support isn’t wasted and they’re doing just that.
idk dude, maybe you should stop sending wave after wave after wave of leopards and bradleys into minefields if you want to not waste Western resources
I hope Ukraine kill all these invading Russian motherfuckers and that Putin dies too.
the saddest thing is that at the end of this war, there will be hundreds of thousands if not millions of dead Ukrainians, all who died because of Western hatred. but you won’t actually care, will you? the lives of the average Ukrainian mean nothing to you. you could send a hundred Ukrainians to die horrifically in the no man’s land and if a Russian stubs his toe because of it, you would call it a worthy sacrifice, because causing the Russians inconvenience and suffering is worth much more than saving the lives of innocent people who have been conscripted at gunpoint.
if it wasn’t a worthy sacrifice, and you thought this wholesale slaughter should stop, you would support ending the war, like the left does.
Yes, all because of western hatred, fuck all to do with the people who invaded in the first place. They’re all imperalist fucks but takes like this on the situation are just completely braindead.
the people who invaded in the first place
Where have you been for 8 years? 2014-2022
What do you know of the modern “civil conflict” in Ukraine? Do you know what happened in 2014? Are you aware of who began massacring who that year?
The imperialism of marching your border closer and closer to NATO’s troops from 1990 to 2022 is truly the worst kind. Russia must be punished for putting Moscow that close to Ukraine.
couldn’t possibly have anything to do with the pro-Russian separatists in the Donbass who were getting slaughtered for years before 2022. those people don’t matter, only pro-Ukraine people matter. couldn’t possibly have anything to do with security interests. only NATO’s security interests matter, not Russia (or China’s). couldn’t possibly have anything to do with having armed NATO-trained troops in a country that recently experienced a US-backed coup. of course, if Russia puts Wagner forces in African countries (so not even inside NATO’s “sphere of influence”) that recently experienced a coup, that’s an entirely different thing because uhh Russia is bad and NATO is good. that’s Russian imperialism. us putting our troops in coup’d countries is freedom and bringing democracy. and also that wasn’t a coup, it was actually the citizens doing it all by themselves.
That has to be one of the dumbest takes I’ve ever read on the internet.
If the West wouldn’t support Ukraine then the Russians would kill them without resistance, that’s about it.
Did all the Japanese get killed after they surrendered? Did all Germans? If they had surrendered earlier less of them would have died. The same goes for Nazi Ukraine. Their defeat is inevitable, and prolonging the inevitable only adds to the suffering…and to the list of war crimes that they will be charged with by Russia’s tribunals afterwards. The West’s “support” is literally destroying Ukraine and they have all admitted that they have no problem with this, in fact they profit from it.
The West is happy to “fight to the last Ukrainian” to hurt Russia, the Banderite Nazis are happy to die (and force their less fanatical compatriots to do so as well) for the West so long as it enables their genocidal urges, meanwhile the only ones who actually care about the Ukrainian people and have gone out of their way to try and save them from the Western imperialists and from themselves are the Russians.
It’s actually really sad that there isn’t a single country on the planet that cares about Ukraine except Russia (and maybe Belarus). To the West they’re just a tool, useful idiot cannon fodder, to the rest of the world they’re a tragic cautionary tale about what happens when you let the lunatics take over the asylum, which is what happened on the Maidan in 2014. If you really cared about Ukraine you too would want the flow of weapons and money to them to stop, because the longer this goes on the worse it will be for them.
If the West didn’t organize a coup in Ukraine, put Nazis into power, then prod them into slaughtering their countrymen, then the Russians wouldn’t have invaded. The Russians didn’t just wake up one day and decide to invade Ukraine.
I’d love to see how you people will react when Mexico joins BRICS and the US invades it.
If the west wouldn’t ‘support’ Ukraine then they’d still have their democratically elected government and wouldn’t be in conflict with Russia in the first place
you’re so wrong it’s hard to know where to even begin. You buy into the premise that the US arming reactionaries and building them up as a force to destabilize and entire region is somehow “protecting” people.
The West’s support of Ukraine is getting them all killed anyway. Might as well lay down your arms and have some working-age males to rebuild the country with after surrendering.
They could have made peace near the beginning of the war and they rejected it. Russia offered to hand back Kherson and Zaporozhye oblasts and withdraw in exchange for Ukraine giving up aspirations of NATO and not trying to acquire nuclear missiles, but Ukraine refused. Hardly the rhetoric of a bloodthirsty warlord.
Human garbage such as yourself is precisely the reason this war is still ongoing and hundreds of thousands of people are dead. If you want Russians to die so bad then go sign up for the foreign legion and fight yourself instead of shitposting here you deplorable piece shit.
Every single person who supports continuation of this war is responsible for the people dying in this war. Meanwhile, pointing your energy at Putin while living in the west is idiotic because you have zero influence on Putin. What you have influence on is your own deplorable regime that’s fueling the continuation of this war.
