db0 and Unruffled have both been banned for reactionary behavior and, in the case of the former, DM harassment.
Due to these irreconcilable differences we thought it only right to allow the community to weigh in on defederating immediately.
According to this person “tankie” is anyone that criticizes the privilege of white westerners in the imperial core who have been privileged and comfortable their entire lives off of the backs of colonized people.
Further context can be found in this thread
https://hexbear.net/post/2484423
As always, use to vote for defederation.
Have seen users from db0 genuinely learn about communism and radicalise because of their exposure to this space. Every single defederation reduces the number of people that get radicalised by our existence.
Flatworm is a dumbass though. Obligatory: https://clips.twitch.tv/SlickBigHorseCharlieBitMe-e2zKKUMBO_pVNOhd
Also recently came across Vijay Prashad talking about the word a while back: https://youtu.be/tsqE9kEsDVY
This is amusing because these people all love Chomsky and Prashad+Chomsky both work together, Prashad is unironically one of the people they would call tankie and the two have an extremely close relationship, literally writing books together. Prashad’s institute (tricontinental) published this on China’s Socialism 3.0
Just a few things to think about in case any of you db0 anti-tankie folks are lurking.
excellent comment. Anti-tankie leftists would be wise to listen to what is being said by scholars of socialism and history from outside the western liberal/libleft bubble, because many of the things they get angry at us for are simply non-controversial to almost anyone in the world who isn’t in that bubble. Even if they don’t agree with us on everything, everyone who fights for a better world should be broadly on the same side. (and that isn’t the side of Israel, NATO, etc.)
People protesting the US refusing to gtfo of Burkina Faso were waving Russian and North Korean flags. Anti-tankie leftists are just imperial core crackers with a huge white savior complex who think people of color should grovel on their knees for being saved by people of NATO.
Thanks for sharing these links. I’m another off-instance lurker who has learned a lot by browsing Hexbear posts. The comments here reinforce that y’all are being strategic with your federation choices, which is cool to see.
I would be less strategic and more open but I am very thick skinned and willing to scrap endlessly with neoliberals if it radicalises just a few people. Unfortunately not everyone here has the same constitution.
I am quite glad that we do in fact reach some people. If you have any questions about communism, capitalism or anything at all my door is always open to people genuinely looking to learn.
i started out on a reactionary instance and got radicalized by you guys. you should keep it up.
I’m never averse to engaging with reactionaries. I have often found that younger people from republican families are easier to radicalise than younger people from democrat families, these young people are already anti-liberal and anti-media, a small amount of education connects the dots on how society actually functions for them that the conservative sphere isn’t providing and suddenly they radicalise HARD.
Yeh the older reactionaries are more or less lost causes though.
What I would really like to create is a methodology for opening a Chomsky to fully Marxist pipeline. There’s an absolutely huge number of soft-left Chomsky fans who are anti-tankie and breaking that down by focusing on the people Chomsky currently works with all being tankies and supporting China seems to have potential breaking that down. I think Chomsky himself agrees with those around him but feels pressure to not say it, but then again he hasn’t really been shy about calling ukraine run by nazis and the media liars about the size of the nazi problem there… So maybe it’s not about pressure. Hard to say.
I always feel that we should leave the door open just in case some of their users are based, or can be convinced, just like I was convinced.
I was a Reddit lurker escaping to Lemmy and was already anticapitalist but just had a bunch of brainworms left. I didn’t trust the “red fash tankies” based on all the stuff that’s everywhere. But scrolling around lemmygrad and hexbear for a while had me scratching my head and wondering what all the fuss is about. Clearly you guys are NOT some kind of weird crypto fash thing but are actually very educated with sound analysis of history and politics. So if there are more people like me who are curious, then we should leave the door open.
Of course, if it becomes untenable (like how shitjustworks went full nazi bar) then we shouldn’t bother exposing our comrades to bigoted harrassment. Yes, it seems like the admin(s) are libs, but a piracy-based instance is always gonna have some anticapitalist lean, so it’s less likely for dbzer0 to go full nazi bar.
This is where I’m at on paper the piracy sub should not be having the issue of bootlickg for capitalism you’d think that would be an untenable position for the mods of the instance to have. Hopefully some users have a moment of clarity seeing their mods talking shit about “those dirty communists” on an instance about how piracy is necessary to circumvent the effects of capitalism
I did, personally. The only reason I don’t have a hexbear account is because I wanted access to a few defederated communities. Prior to that I had a blahaj.zone (am trans) account, but they disabled downvoting everywhere. Seeing that others didn’t defederate from db0 is why I chose them. And because of the obvious correlation between piracy and anti-capitalism, which sadly hasn’t held up.
At this point, I don’t know where I am supposed to make my account to avoid these issues. Hexbear produces some of the best content, but so do major defederated instances. Granted, I was disgusted a few times with what people say outside of communities like this one, such as the museum in Australia banning men from an exhibit. Damn near any feminist should be intrigued and hear out their reasoning, and then supportive of the point of the art being the exclusion of men due to historic and still pervasive exclusion of women. But instead, it was MRAs dominating the discussion with “but if the genders were reversed!” garbage and “this is gender discrimination or the highest degree!” myopic garbage.
Lemmy needs a way to transfer accounts, yesterday. This is already my third account, after lemmy.world and blahaj.zone.
I know the main suggestion on HexBear will be to make an account here. But are there any alternatives with good admins and minimal defederation?
>named unruffled
>is clearly ruffled
there are some good users there that occasionally post here but if db0 has revealed themselves to be a full-on reactionary things from that instance will only get worse
I’ve been quite outspoken about how I think Unruffled and db0 are total clowns, but aside from the mods, I don’t have much of a problem with the instance itself. One of their own users even reported db0 for being a bootlicker lmao, so they’re alright in my book.
One of their own users even reported db0 for being a bootlicker
Damn I might change my vote to fed now lmao
