Then there is the sequel where the poo people fight back, but they do it in the wrong and bad way which really enforces why we kept them as poo people in the first place! Otherwise it upsets the natural hierarchy and don’t you know they just create their own hierarchy that is even worse because it doesn’t even acknowledge special people?
Edit: that also makes it praised for it’s ‘realism’.
There are a couple other book series like that too, I can’t be bothered to remember them, but they are definitely like that. One literally has the common side called ‘the revolution’, and basically makes the arguement that edgy magical libertarians are the only force that can save or doom humanity and the environment.
Yeah, the butcher bit was incredibly unnecessary, you could have just had them have the same economic failures that Dany was facing and had them fall that way. There was really no need to indulge in the ‘ignorant authoritarian peasant warlord’ fantasy.
In Gambo, the status quo was maintained and the naive attempt to improve society somewhat was thwarted, allowing the same bunch of hereditary sociopaths to regain and maintain control over a relatively stable ongoing regime, and the “no plot armor no favored characters” ego insert of the author got to be a special boy after all and wander off with all the cool mysterious nomad people. Also he had (CW: sexual violence and general GRRM creepiness)
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le sexy sex with the le crazy sexual violence victim that went too far then killed her
:so-true:
Disclaimer: Maybe “Winds of Winter” would have gone differently if the author could be bothered to finish it instead of being high on his own farts, but judging by how much more :libertarian-alert: there is in the books I don’t think it’d be less ideologically terrible than the show’s ending.
I hated the Harry Potter series so much as a kid. Specifically becuase the wizards were smug assholes who thought they were better than the Muggles, despite the fact that modern technology could replicate almost everything magic could do in the books. And in many areas, our technology was far superior and indeed incomprehensible to the magic users, such as rocketry and atomic physics.
I truely feel bad for my parents for having to listen to my third diatribe in a week about the wizards lived like medieval oafs while we explored space and invented computers. Then it would get dark when I started ranting about how we could wipe these pointy-hatted slave-owners off the face of the Earth with a push of a button, how dare they condescend to us.
Granted I was a annoying le-science loving nerdlinger, but I feel vindicated in my hatred.
Especially not if you’re feeemale. “LessWrong” tends to get off to (CW: sexual violence)
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drugging, amateur brainwashing (usually with mantras like “you are only a figment of my imagination made specifically to serve and please me”) and consequently violating their “cuddle party” company to brag about it later.
add a panel about males having this magic and females having that magic and you get wheel of time almost perfectly
:(
I’m listening through WoT books for the first time and honestly they are pretty mid. I’m going to finish them, but it was wildly oversold to me.
what book are you on? i just started book 10. truth be told i like the books a lot and they are absolutely epics with incredible world building especially given how long ago the first was written. having said all that… yah, there’s infinitely better stuff written in the past decade
I’m halfway through book two. I think part of the problem is I am listening to them immediately consecutively after each other. I am at the point where if Rand and Egwene have another stupid fight I am going to scream.
World building is solid af though it’s why I’m still listening.
i don’t want to plot spoil, but yes. in book 1 you’re introduced to the white tower of female magic users. the red faction hunts down males who can wield the power because when men wield magic power they eventually go crazy and kill everyone (analogy for male rage, power, abuse, etc.)
there’s more to it but it might be plot spoiling
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All magic dudes are killed because they eventually get too powerful and literally start to go mad seeing past the fabric of reality and through the wheel of time. Dudes are magic way less but when they are magic they do a bunch of damage.
that ain't it
Men go mad because before the post- apocalypse (yes, it’s post apocalyptic) setting their half of the source of magic was tainted by Not Satan. It’s not that they’re more powerful (they are explicitly stated to be more powerful in general, though), but every time they “touch” the source this taint feeds into them and drives them insane. It’s not about how powerful they get, but how often they are exposed to and how resistant they are to this taint.
And then when they go mad they’re a danger because they’re essentially casting wild magic according to their delusions
I need one where the “poo people” overthrow all the “specials” and destroy magic
We need more works of fantasy about class struggle
EDIT: It’s interesting because I think most readers read those stories and imagine themselves as one of the specials, whereas I always imagined being one of the poo people.
Commonweal, they don’t destroy magic (though they’d dearly like to since whoever made it was an asshole) in fact most people are low level magic users, but any wizards capable of immortality have the choice of obey a revolutionary socialist republic (and never leave) or die in one of several ways.
Hogwarts School of Witchkkkraft and Grand Wizardry
