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Honestly its rude to be invited by a country to meet their president who decided to respond to your criticisms of their administration only to not show up and go meet the opposition.

Being invided and then no showing shows complete disregard to basic diplomatic Etiquette since it was a mission to show solidarity against the embargo

Bonus socdems being cringe part 4.5: about another member that didnt show up to the presidential meeting

Deeply unserious people

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Her criticisms come from an incredibly idealist perspective and are divorced from any understanding of power or how a communist party functions. Even lauding Fidel, but ignoring him: “within the revolution, everything; against the revolution, nothing”. introducing “alternative leftist voices” for its own sake accomplishes nothing but sating the unending liberal tendency to act indecisively and fight amongst each other, even when facing an existential threat. Constantly railing against the “bureaucracy” and constantly trying to create a distinction between the communist party from the masses, from the perspective of an outsider… from the imperial core… from the US no less, the primary enemy of the Cuban revolution… It is incredibly telling that that is what she spends her time on. If she is such an incredible organizer and ardent communist then she should focus on revolution within the US

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Her criticisms come from an incredibly idealist perspective and are divorced from any understanding of power or how a communist party functions

I’ll emphasize again, and not a attack on the person who wrote it but a reminder of reality, DSA is not a communist party.

It is not a leninist party of the new type, it is a social democratic party in function regardless of whatever form they or anyone else claim to be.

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I agree completely. The DSA has been an anti-communist project from its conception. This person claims to be giving a “marxist critique” though, and that is what I was addressing. The unfortunate reality is that many people with revolutionary aspirations end up being siphoned into DSA and believe that they are communists. But in reality, most people who join the DSA are exposed to these garbage takes, the incessant factionalism, and ineffectual action, and think that that is what socialist organizing is. They become disaffected and it drives people away from communist parties and organizing in general when the goal should be to bring people in and change their understanding of democracy into a participatory, socialist one. Most DSA members are just members on paper because of this.

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Yep. I joined DSA back in 2016 and quickly got burnt out on the backbiting, drama and liberal signaling and stopped attending after just a few meetings and events. I went on to go to other communist groups, but if I had stuck around there I would still be sitting around in meetings with people bickering about whether Cuba is an autocracy or not.

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Yes, truly one of the two sheepdog tailers for the DNC, regardless of how many ride-alonger fleas there are trying to change its course by tugging at its hairs.

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But there is a second aspect of the crisis which we did not focus on during this delegation: a crisis of political legitimacy. Cuba’s government is a regime where decision-making power rests in the hands of the Central Committee of the PCC (the only legal political party) alongside its bureaucracy while the elected legislature is a disempowered rubber-stamp committee. Legally recognized mass organizations we met with on this delegation, like the Committees for the Defense of the Revolution, Federation of Cuban Women, and the Workers’ Central Union of Cuba, are loyal to the bureaucracy, while independent political organizing is repressed.

This is from that “comrade” who skipped the meeting with the president. Tells you all you need to know about them. The DSA didn’t focus on this “second aspect” but she really wanted to hijack the trip and make it about this instead of the blockade, so she pulled some immature stunt to get attention for her idealist bullshit

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Bloviating about your concerns and then refusing to meet with the President of the fucking country to address those very concerns shows that it’s just a bad faith stunt to put yourself on a pedestal above the unclean impure real-life socialist country that has to deal with matters of practical governance.

Vague critiques of “authoritarianism” betray a total lack of understanding as to the functioning of literally any state on the planet.

The whole “how can you criticize X when they’ve been doing things in real life while you just sit there with your stupid books”, aside from being presumptuous, is just bog standard anti-intellectualism that friend of the site Roderic Day does a much better job of taking apart than me.

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You saw the other comment I made about if I pulled a diplomatic faux pas like that I would want to resign out of embarrassment?

I really hope she feels embarrassment on a whole different magnitude

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I’ll emphasize again, and not a attack on the person who wrote it but a reminder of reality, DSA is not a communist party.

Not a communist party, yet

Hopefully the more effectively organized left wing can succeed in eventually taking it over, this last wave of elections seems promising to that effect.

:bloomer:

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entryism has never worked a single time in history i’m pretty sure

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The trots that infiltrated the DNC thought the same thing back in the day, but look how that turned out.

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It’s not going to become one. The only similar outcome would occur due to a split.

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She could save others from Liberalism but not herself

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Trotskyists attacking the CPC while the country is being invaded by the genocidal IJA vibes

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I’ll pass your message along

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