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3 points

Leaking confidential information, as damning as it may be, is illegal.

Again, try saying anything bad about Putin or Russia in Russia. At least I can speak freely and scream from the rooftops about the shitty parts of the US. Go ahead.

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86 points

no, he didn’t leak shit, he published leaked information what the hell.

and you can only do that right now because the ruling class isn’t concerned about possible socialist revolution, I advise you to read up on the 1st and 2nd Red Scares!

(also, who fucking cares if you can complain about something if you can’t actually change the situation???)

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Liberals don’t know the difference between negative and positive rights.

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1 point

So when a cop kills an innocent person I’m just not supposed to be upset?

Again, I can spread the word and my viewpoint and not be arrested/killed, at least legally. It’s not like Biden or Trump could have had me killed for saying it.

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at least legally.

in awe at this one. Once again, if they think you’re a threat to state power do you think they give a single flying fuck about what’s legal/illegal? do you think what’s being done to Assange is actually legal? he didn’t leak anything, he just published information given to him. Once again, if the there was a serious socialist threat to this country I promise you would be arrested/killed no matter what if it became known you were a vocal dissident, legality be damned

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So when a cop kills an innocent person I’m just not supposed to be upset?

Again, I can spread the word and my viewpoint and not be arrested/killed, at least legally. It’s not like Biden or Trump could have had me killed for saying it.

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The Uhuru House publically opposed the war effort in Ukraine and got raided, then had a bunch of their members locked up for allegedly being in cahoots with Russians. By default, your bullshit’s refuted.

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Whoa slow down, where did this cop come from? I swear you people are so morally bankrupt, you have to try and mindtrick someone into agreeing w/ a completely unrelated question. It’s so jarring and deceitful to read

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Damn thats crazy, the shit that might hurt the state is illegal(and therefore presumably justifiable to punish) while you get to do all the intellectual jerkoffs you want with no effect on anything?

Real lucky you get to live in freedomland.

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2 points

So saying you disagree with something your government did is hurting the state? Lol

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58 points

At least I can say the US has done some terrible shit without getting arrested or killed.

Leaking confidential information, as damning as it may be, is illegal.

Do you see how these two statements cannot be true at the same time?

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Again, purposely digging up confidential information and then exposing it is illegal.

Talking realistically and honestly about something is freedom of speech.

If you are that dense that you think those are the same things, then I might as well talk to a brick wall.

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Again, purposely digging up confidential information and then exposing it is illegal.

Going up to Snowden and saying “Erm, sir, you might have told us that the American government is spying on us every moment of our lives, but, erm, actshually, doing that was illegal, so unfortunately, sir, you are not epic and you don’t deserve freedom of speech protections”

what an absolute fucking dweeb, holy shit

I will go tell Putin to make it “confidential information” that he’s a bad person, then maybe you’ll shut the fuck up for a single moment of your life because a bootlicker like you will be forced to obey it if you ever go there

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52 points

At least I can say the US has done some terrible shit without getting arrested or killed

Leaking confidential information, as damning as it may be, is illegal.

so I gather from these two statements that the first is incorrect

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18 points

It’s like the two statues riddle but you lose no matter what and they wear CIA and NSA jackets.

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At least I can speak freely and scream from the rooftops about the shitty parts of the US

Someone’s never heard of the Free Speech fights.

You can and will be jailed just for saying shit, if people start to listen to you and you’re saying the wrong shit. Your “freedom of speech” is as worthless as used toilet paper the moment a judge decides to issue an injunction against you i.e. the strikes in Harlan County in the 70s had judges jailing people for using the word “scab.”

Also fun fact I learned today, remember the Kent State Massacre? People were ordered to apologize for being shot just to get compensation, which only covered legal defenses. Land of the fucking free, lmao

Leaking confidential information, as damning as it may be, is illegal.

When your life is made illegal, what’re you gonna do, liberal? Roll over for the bourgeois state like a good boy?

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No, not at all.

Freedom of speech protects you from being prosecuted for saying something.

It doesn’t protect you from any other consequences of what you say.

I did not say that you can say anything with no consequences whatsoever

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You’re just being obtuse and refusing to understand reality, so as not to lose an argument or learn something.

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10 points

They were talking about prosecution

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50 points

Rooftops are generally a good place to speek freely, even in an oppressive country.

Try speaking about US atrocities at work. If you lose your job, you’re not free.

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1 point

I used to work for the US government and we all talked shit about it at work. So your making shit up

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Working at the dmv and talking about how incompetent bureaucracy are isn’t the kind of talking we’re talking about

Go work for a railroad and try to organize a general strike and tell me how safe you feel

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46 points

Leaking confidential information, as damning as it may be, is illegal.

The definition of right and wrong is always what is legal, that’s why when the ruling class buys political power through lobbying and other corruption, the ruling class becomes more legally right in whatever they want to do!

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The definition of right and wrong is always what is legal

Unless that law is a bad country’s law.

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silly communist, don’t you know that AMERICAN law applies everywhere in the world? Heh, you really lack a geopolitical education and it shows 😎

(I am being facetious pls don’t block me)

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At least I can speak freely and scream from the rooftops about the shitty parts of the US

If you do this in the US you are getting a visit from the police

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38 points

dang putin must have snipers everywhere to enforce that

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that’s impossible, the entire Russian army has been destroyed a hundred times now by Ukraine, over 15 million Russian troops have been killed last time I checked, there are no snipers left

the Zaporozhye front is just the Ukrainians doing a giant war re-enactment of what would have happened if there were any Russians left alive, but due to the 1:984219 casualty ratio, there aren’t any Russians left

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27 points

you mean there are not snipers in every square meter of siberia watching out for siberian separatists?

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1 point

He probably would if he could.

Damn the butthurt Russians are out in force today.

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Imagine being so chauvinistic that you’re outright unable to conceive of the idea that someone might hold an opinion for any reason other than blind patriotism. You’ve become brainwashed to a point where you can’t imagine that the governments of the United States and its allies, which have been caught spreading or taking advantage of lie after lie after lie after lie after lie in order to achieve geopolitical victories over nations they considered to be a political or economic threat, might be lying in their characterization of the government of Russia, which has repeatedly stood in the way of American and Western European attempts to both expand into Ukraine and the rest of Eastern Europe politically, as well as exploit Ukraine economically.

I need you to understand that I am not being hyperbolic when I say that you and people who share your views are what is wrong with humanity in the present day. As long as people like you continue to be either willing or gullible enough to keep believing the lies of a geopolitical block as untrustworthy as the United States and its allies solely because you are incapable of looking past your country’s propaganda and seeing your own leaders as anything other than the righteous beacons of humanity that they try to make themselves appear to be, humanity will almost certainly be doomed to enter pointless conflicts and cause mass destruction until we drive our own species off of a cliff.

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14 points

Why do you call the people disagreeing with you Russians?

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You cant even meaningfully add to a joke bc youre so childishly resentful. You take this arguing so much more seriously than us while we just casually have the information youre missing, and it looks hilarious.

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36 points

Assange didn’t do anything illegal but even if he did you might as well be saying “criticizing Putin may the right thing do, but it’s illegal so you shouldn’t do it.”

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34 points

You when the US commits war crimes: :)

You when their war crimes are reported on: >:(

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Leaking confidential information, as damning as it may be, is illegal.

He didn’t leak any info, he published already leaked info. There is an important legal distinction.

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There’s lots of above ground opposition to Putin in Russia. Stop being a clown. There’s plenty of real things to criticize. We don’t need to make things up.

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6 points

Leaking confidential information, as damning as it may be, is illegal.

Aside from that not being what he did, what does it matter morally that it’s illegal? It was illegal to smuggle Jews out of Germany, too.

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