Its like Hillary walking into a working class kitchen for the first time.

They’ve been shielded from even critical support of China and other AES for so long they literally, not figuratively, literally cannot process that people exist that have beliefs that aren’t Reddit Approved. They immediately assume it’s bots or wumao. Human beings can’t possibly hold these beliefs, so they must be Oriental hordes or actual robots.

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Ah yes, because the only way we could possibly admire the achievements of the Chinese state is because we were being paid to do so. Fuck off, creep.

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No I think you’re just in an echochamber that didn’t wanna go full doomer because of how capitalist the entire world is. You wanted some hope for socialism so you clung onto China for false hope.

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With the alternative being, what, exactly? Flaccid, impotent doomerism?

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Their name is Catholic Socialist, so probably yes lmao

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Well the world is almost all neoliberal hell so maybe that’d be better than supporting a fascistic hellscape because they have socialist aesthetics.

I support Cuba and various socialist movements… I don’t pretend Xi is a well-meaning person.

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For me it’s like 5% desperately clinging onto China for false hope, 20% not wanting global thermonuclear war, and 75% the global poverty alleviation they’ve been achieving both domestically and worldwide.

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What do you propose people do?

Also, catholic

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What do you propose people do?

Not support a capitalist hellscape.

Is my religion a joke to you?

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Nah, its not an echo chamber. Im not a big fan of china but its obvious you’re talking out of your ass based on habit and conditioning

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“false hope”

CatholicSocialist

I think someone’s projecting a little lmao, sorry your religion is primarily known for protecting pedophiles, but you don’t need to assume everyone else is having a crisis of faith.

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61 points

You could have just told us you don’t understand memes

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okay, lemmy user CatholicSocialist

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Ok weeb, go jerk off to Xi Jinping’s wikifeet or whatever it is you do for fun.

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48 points

oh no, we’re fully aware of how dire things are globally. but that doesn’t mean we have to swallow propaganda whole and go “thank you, may I have another?” it’s a deeply servile attitude.

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🥺

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A shill is someone paid to advocate for something or who has a material interest in fooling others.

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China is a capitalist country. I don’t disagree with that. However, if you get your head out of your ass and actually read some theory, you will realize that the form of capitalism that is being practiced in China is actually a left-liberal classical capitalism, fundementally grounded in principles of industrial growth discussed by Adam Smith, David Ricardo and Karl Marx, that, if it overtakes the U.S. as global hegemon, actually has the potential to transition into a socialist society.

Their poverty reduction, infrastructure building, and general wheeling and dealing with underdeveloped countries is laudable and far outstrips the history and ability of the West, and while I don’t really like their foreign policy stances, particularly on MLM issues, refusing to actually analyze what is going on there and what has the potential to go on there is a sure sign of the typical, unread, left-com martyrdom complex where you have the audacity to criticize the projects of others without ever having done anything particularly productive or revolutionary yourself.

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actually has the potential to transition into a socialist society

LMFAO I’ve read plenty of Marx and it clearly does not.

Their poverty reduction, infrastructure building

Maybe tinges of social democracy in a fast-growing economy accompanied by mass human rights abuse.

dealing with underdeveloped countries

Ah yes because Xi is doing it out of the goodness of his heart, totally not getting anything out of it like imperialist influence in Africa and interest money.

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