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When you say “no room to make business.” That’s where I think the fundamental disagreement is rooted. Socialism is inherently built on the idea that what you are building in a capitalist system is exploiting labour. The people you bring in should have ownership of the company too in a socialist system, not the state. What you’re describing is a communist dictatorship. State programs should be run by the state just as they are in most countries now. You certainly don’t want companies running your government.

I know it gets used like shit but do you think there’s any utility in the term ‘whataboutism’ if the definition is strict? Like I always understood it to be pointing out ludicrous pontificating about things that’ll never happen. Obviously that’s not how it’s used at all in reality and your description is much more apt.

Another casualty of the American market.

I believe that was the original intent of the word, just wondering if it’s essentially defunct because of how it’s used now.

Wow that was definitely an enlightening read on the etymology, so the word was fucked from the get go haha…

Sean O’Conaill (1976) - 'I would not suggest such a thing were it not for the Whatabouts. These are the people who answer every condemnation of the Provisional I.R.A. with an argument to prove the greater immorality of the “enemy”, and therefore the justice of the Provisionals’ cause: “What about Bloody Sunday, internment, torture, force feeding, army intimidation?”. ’

Maybe I’m missing something but how does this legitimise the claim that China has over Taiwan? Surely you could use the same line of reasoning with Israel right? Genuinely curious btw as I’ve only ever dipped my toe into the history of this stuff. I feel like I’d like to look at any data gathered about how people living in Taiwan feel about this.

Thank you so much that offers some great jump off points for some reading. I’m definitely too uniformed to have an opinion here lol.

I’m really sorry I’m not quite following what you’re saying. Taiwan are claiming all of China?

I think the question is surely should or does Taiwan want independence rather than pointing to the top of a Wikipedia page right?

Look I’m genuinely trying to get what your argument is there’s no need to be so combative because I used the wrong word for that island and the people inside of it. I don’t think I’m being obtuse or anything, just you presented a tautological argument without any evidence so I don’t know what I’m supposed to read into.

Thanks for explaining it to me a lot more clearly, you have any good resources to read into this about? Any authors you’d recommend? This is a massive blind spot in my political knowledge.