Shit like this really fucks with me. If people here, who came to a website explicitly ML, who believe in everything from wage slavery to reparations to abolishment of all borders, still side with “fuck off, animal slavery is fine” over “enslavement is cruel” then what’s the fucking point?
29 upvotes for “fuck off” in response to “lets stop exploitation.”
leftist website
Could’ve fooled me.
Honestly imagining a VCJ member walking in and promptly walking out after seeing the true hostility for “don’t torture living beings” as a sentiment here.
sucks seeing leftists make the same dumb arguments any right-winger would
I wish the site would at least get to ‘veganism is morally correct but I haven’t made it there yet’, anything else is embarrassing
It honestly feels like there’s way more anti-vegan sentiment on this site than there used to be. Not just in the last 2 days but preceding it as well, I’m not sure what happened but it’s dissapointing
I think it’s a combination of vegans getting tired of refuting the same things over and over, simply asking people not to do animal cruelty, and carnists emboldened seeing people pile-on with these ridiculous rationalizations.
We’re too poor, it’s our culture, it’s unhealthy, it’s not necessary, etc. All arguing for a continuation of a practice that almost anyone that sees it can understand is unethical. And often arguing in defense of an imagined infringed group, not themselves.
It’s tiring and it’s got me tired. I’ve seen a number of vegan users voice that they left the site because they’re tired too, so I get it.
Every time this site remembers vegans exist, it becomes indistinguishable from Reddit.
Which is funny considering we’re trying to offer VCJ an alternative to it.
The best part is when they use an imagined impoverished Chinese person as a deflection point to call animal rights bourgeoise.
We need to stay because if we leave, the site continues to fall into this weird pit.
It’s only until we are the majority, we keep bringing people who actually understand ethics here, that we turn the tide and begin convincing others.
I think a lot of people reading these threads came out of it very confused at how this site could possibly side with, “I really don’t care about any cruelty whatsoever,” and that leads to critical introspection.
the thing I love the most about when they point to an impoverished person in another country is that it’s saying “well, animals can’t be liberated there yet due to these legitimate circumstances,” and then I nod, agreeing, until they basically say “so it’s classist and bourgeoise to try to do it anywhere else.”
