Stupid tankies >:-(
Oh you think its okay to defend yourself? Authoritarian tankie
You don’t understand. It’s like, this uprising does not live up to my insane Western standards of a perfect revolution by putting a ballot into a box, you know.
Modern liberals: “The American Revolution was the best and most wholesome revolution ever!!!”
Liberals if they lived back then: “The colonists are using violence to gain independence, why can’t they just be peaceful? They’re a bunch of violence loving terrorists, I’m siding with the British Empire.”
while you’re here let’s bring up the french revolution, overrated bougie ahh revolution that didn’t improve the situation for poor people in france even 200 years later
Edit: I obviously don’t support isis
overrated bougie ahh revolution that didn’t improve the situation for poor people in france even 200 years later
It objectively did you aren’t accounting for how shit things were before the French revolution it was illegal to pay a worker more than the minimum required to live
Liberals have this image in their head of a perfect victim that fights a just battle against the cinematic evil oppresive force. They’d rather support Palestinians as harmless corpses than as a liberation force killing their oppressors. And since they see events in a vacuum, they will side with the ‘victims of agression’ again.
well to be fair here the colonists were mainly mad at being constrained by British treaties from massacring the natives so the founding fathers are a much better map to Israel in this situation. It’s also not undue to speculate that the strong abolitionist movement in Britain at the time that led to the fact Britain would ban the slave trade was a concern on some level to a colony that made its money off of slavery. infact there is some evidence that the relative popularity of abolition was a factor in the American desire to break from Britain
There are a lot of good reasons why someone might fight the British empire so it’s a true testament to American ingenuity that they managed to find an evil reason
There are a lot of good reasons why someone might fight the British empire so it’s a true testament to American ingenuity that they managed to find an evil reason
“Americans can be trusted to do the right thing, after they’ve exhausted every other option”
Are you sure, most of the time the Yanks double back and try an exhosted option agian
well like I said they actually did the wrong thing because they only took independence so they could make things worse
Palestinians have to be a “perfect victim” to be even the slightest bit sympathetic, and even then it’s not a guarantee.
Such is western liberalism; the only correct action is to be subjugated under imperialist rule. Only then will you deserve pity, and pity is all you’ll get.
This is the level of pacifism the west gets on whenever anyone physically resists genocide:
The Palestinian struggle for liberation and self-determination is “no angel” and in this essay i will
What yesterday’s events have shown is that who gives a fuck what liberals and western “leftists” think? It doesn’t matter, like at all. Push comes to shove, they see themselves in the oppressor and supporting the downtrodden is just a cultural aesthetic. And even that, they will abandon in a hurry.
Who cares, they will never support the oppressed. No one needs their lame ass permission to fight back. Spineless cowards.
A lot of the western “left” has a fetish with defeat and struggle. The moment the oppressed take things into their own hands, make advances never seen before, overthrow their oppressor, and start rebuilding post-war, the western left tends to stop giving a shit and abandon what’s now has “lost its charm”.
That’s why critical support for AES is so low in the western left. I think it has its roots in orientalist thinking. Poor, oppressed, and revolutionary people from the global south driven into martyrdom fits their narrative, anything else is too much reality to deal with. They project onto these conflicts their desired aesthetics and what they deem a “cultured” theoretical understanding of global systems.
But dialectical thinking doesn’t stop at rallies and symbolic pins, flags, posters and patches. It also means accepting the material actions being taken to achieve that. Sure, it might conflict with their ideal aesthetics. But they can’t get past the disappointment. Instead, they take the disappointment as a sign of some kind of moral high ground, which is just blatant orientalism.
A lot of the western “left” has a fetish with defeat and struggle. The moment the oppressed take things into their own hands, make advances never seen before, overthrow their oppressor, and start rebuilding post-war, the western left tends to stop giving a shit and abandon what’s now has “lost its charm”.
I imagine for many western “leftists” in these last few days, you can see the moment that they turned from “Poor Palestinians :( being oppressed by Israel in Gaza and the West Bank, I support their struggles and protests, we need to find a solution, let’s go BDS!” defeat fetishism, looking on with concealed glee as Palestinians martyred themselves in relatively non-violent protests, and turned to “Okay, the unspeakable violence of Gazans towards Israeli civilians has GOT TO STOP. We need a ceasefire now, or the Gazans will get what’s coming to them!”
An evergreen quote from MLK: "First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can’t agree with your methods of direct action;” who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a “more convenient season.”
