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Every single study on UBI finds that it is a good idea that benefits both the recipients and society as a whole, but because it contradicts the dominant ideology it can’t be allowed to happen.

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How can a society built on capital work towards the betterment of society rather than the accretion of capital?

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Stop measuring people’s networth. Start measuring their societal value.

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I’ve yet to see a study at a scale large enough to impact the local economy. Will the results hold when everyone gets monthly cash payments, or will rent go through the roof and that’s about it?

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solution: take control of renting rates at the least

or just be smart and get rid of landlords all together

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Kind of a weird argument, isn’t it? If we did the opposite instead, it’s not as if you’d expect rents to fall – on the contrary, rent would go up in response to the added financial burden on landlords. Setting that hypothetical aside, wouldn’t a generalized inflation of rents be an acceptable tradeoff for reducing homelessness and untethering the 50+% of young adults who still live with their parents to move and work in more economically efficient environments?

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While I actually consider multi-generational housing a good thing, let’s ignore that since the reason people aren’t moving out is financial and not social.

The question is whether UBI is the best way to solve that problem (and others) and I have yet to see data that can be reasonably said to actually be universal for a region. The closest thing I know of is Alaska, and their oil payments are too small and their economy too remote to say much about larger payments in a larger economy.

To me, because money has a social and psychological value to it, what works on an individual level has no guarantee to transfer to a societal level. I would be very interested to see UBI practiced on an entire economic zone, but good luck getting anyone to volunteer.

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That’s about it. Why would anyone work for $20k/yr when they could get $12k for free? They wouldn’t. So those jobs would bump to $30k+, and a domino affect would occur. Nothing would be achieved other than the devaluing of the American dollar, which would lead to a loss of jobs, increased poverty, and guess what else - increased homelessness.

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UBI is socialism? Without any price caps on goods and services it just gives capitalists another excuse to raise prices.

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That’s not true. You’re thinking of social programs. Socialism is when workers own the means of production.

If this was socialism, America would have already done a military coup in Denver.

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what. Social programs are not socialism

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Socialism, in an extreme simplification, is a mode of political and economic organisation in which the workers own the means of production, and receive the full value of their labour. While social welfare programs are often attached to that, they are not socialism in and of themselves, nor are they a prerequisite to socialism (but it is nice to have).

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That isnt socialism, the proletariat doesn’t control the means of production.

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18 points

Love too go down to the government store and order an extra large socialism

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Yh a lot of mfers on this site need to actually read some theory.

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OK, so you’re telling me that giving money to people who need it, is better than giving it to rich people?

I am Wage Slaves inner shocked pikachu. Same thing, just more sarcastic and massive eye brows.

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Rent is only high because of artificial scarcity of real estate. The scarcity only exists because building new housing is decided neither by supply and demand nor central government planning, but by the people who accumulate more capital if housing isn’t built.

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: “Did you just suggest walkable communities with plenty of brownstone townhouses? Whoa WTF I love regulations now!”

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The cruelty is the point, so this isn’t likely to be expanded.

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