79 points

JP is literally the stereotypical dilettante that he says is miserable in his book. It’s probably why he is so familiar with the topic, it’s a self help book for himself. If you have ever seen any of his live streams, the man literally keeps a dirty office.

That said, all JP has inspired is school shootings and pressuring for sex, he is no comparison to the man around whom both the 20th and 21st century revolves.

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74 points

It used to be that reading the work of someone before you criticized them was considered a requirement. Now anybody can become an anti-Marxist without reading a single word he wrote.

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27 points

This reminded me of his debate with Zizek. He couldn’t be assed to do more than skim the Manifesto to critique Marx

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21 points

This phenomenon, I think, is due to a campaign of obfuscation and a continual attack on the meaning and substance behind these things.

These concrete terms and concepts have been reduced to vague inclinations and undefined and fundamentally nebulous and ungraspable phenomena. Instead of critiquing solid beliefs and ideas accompanied by a rigorous body of academic work, you are now critiquing and defending a “feeling”. A constant, all-encompassing and omnipresent feeling, but a feeling nonetheless. And arguments about feelings don’t have anything to do with academics. All you have to do is argue from some inherent, innate knowledge that you know you must possess because doing the reading is too much work, even as you spend hours a day posting screeds about Chinese cum machines on twitter. This is why debate has been reduced to such an uneducated joke that it can scarcely still be called debate. “Marxism” and “capitalism” - these terms have been robbed of their meaning and therefore any debate can only be devoid of intellectual vigor. How many anticommunist can name a single Marxist concept and form a coherent critique? You’d be hard pressed to find one that doesn’t just go on a meaningless tirade about 1984. This is the result of decades of American anti-intellectualism. Now we have to live in a world where the aesthetics of intellectual meaning are still there but the thing itself is dead.

Obviously, meaningful discussions occur every day. But about Marxism and in a mainstream setting? Forget about it.

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6 points

I mean, that’s the work of propaganda. An anticommunist hardly knows what they stand against; and yet they will attack communism, even without knowledge of its terms, inner workings and intellectual history. I agree with you, but I think this phenomenon refers more broadly to the effects of anticommunist propaganda on the peoples of Earth, rather than only the American people. Anti-intelectualism in only part of it. The Americans were only more brutally affected by it, being at the seat of the Empire and all.

Not really arguing anything; I guess I just wanted to rant for a bit.

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Idk, I can only read the word linen so many times before it starts to not seem like a real word and the rest of my language comprehension starts to degrade from there.

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15 points

Marx failed to consider this

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look ive made 100 winter coats and it took totally different amounts of linen every time I did it. Now I have all these coats and I don’t think I learned theory at all.

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20 points

Meanwhile, the dweebs who follow Peterson will of course insist that you read every word he ever wrote and watch his 2700 hours of youtube content before you’re allowed to express any opinion on their doctor daddy.

It’s very convenient.

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11 points

He didn’t consider human nature. $1 million for this keen insight, please.

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53 points

Why one of the most influential thinkers in history should have anachronistically taken the advice of a pill popping grifter who’s intellectual contribution has been to make dudes even worse. Peterson has got to be one of the laziest motherfuckers in the public sphere.

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Calling Pordan Jeterson an intellectual is an insult to the concept of intellectualism.

Of course someone who tells the lowest common denominator everything they want to hear is going to be popular

"Nazism le good, pollution is cool! If you’re not a malignant narcissist like normal people you’re a loser!’

It would be like calling McDonald’s worthy of a Michelin star because it’s popular.

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16 points

I didn’t call him an intellectual.

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20 points

Oh, don’t worry, I would NEVER accuse you of calling him one. But some poor souls do.

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4 points

i like calling him the intellectual we deserve, after that article

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13 points

My favorite way to do things is anachronisticly

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14 points

I mean, steampunk and retvrn people are about that. Being anachronistic via the future is harder than the past tho.

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Hey Jordan

Have you fixed the world yet? No? Cleaned your room yet? No?

Then fuck off and stop telling a real political scientist who actually inspired revolutions and actually changed the world how to do his job.

Marx literally inspired the Soviets, who in turn got the first human into space. He fucking changed the world and you aren’t worth the shit on his boots.

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Ya but have you considered that Marx’s socks were dirty?

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11 points

Jordans only interested in cleaning his living room… oh sorry, Lebensraum 😱

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10 points

To be fair, it’s some random tabloid author not Peterson himself

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39 points

HENRIETTA MARX: where do you think you’re going

KARL MARX: to my room

to write more poems for Jenny von Westphalen

HENRIETTA MARX: well while you’re up there

you might as well clean the room if you’re going to be doing poems in it

KARL MARX: i’ll do it LATER

HENRIETTA MARX: i left the cleaning supplies outside your door

you’ll do it now

KARL MARX: wow mom

it’s the MEANS of production

not the CRUELS of production

https://the-toast.net/2015/08/18/dirtbag-karl-marx/

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