Can’t believe they’re attacking communism and pigpoopballs
What they say fuck me for?
I assume communists have sagely recommended not firebombing fraternities.
If you look at the public reaction to the PSU protests within their own community compared to those at UCLA and Columbia, choosing to occupy the library definitely hurt them. Like, kudos to them for doing something, but nowhere near the amount of professors and student groups have come out in support of them as those other schools. Part of that is campus culture and engineering students seething because divesting from Boeing hurts their chances at the golden throne, but they also staged the protest in the most likely place to have staff who would otherwise have supported them materially. Which got them attention, but also got them cleared out a hell of a lot quicker.
Interesting analysis. Haven’t been paying granular attention; id have hoped that Portland’s climate would’ve been more amenable to some concerted action across communities.
yeah fuck those commies, its propaganda of the deed time baby
But seriously the student protests have been gaining worldwide momentum, firebombing a frat house or similar action would be the ideal way to kill that dead in the water
They literally disrupted the May Day march this year then complained online about the “tankies” that organized it.
Fucking christ, I don’t want to doxx myself more than I may have with the crumbs I’ve left behind on my current account, but, I’ve had to deal with these god damn losers to much too. I’ve made myself a pretty public face in a lot of local scenes which contain a lot of white people calling themselves anarchists; and when I joined PSL and started being open about like “Hey we’re organizing this for Palestine” I got nothing but hate from these crackers. They’re chauvinistic, deluded motherfuckers who pick on women and minorities because it’s easier. I genuinely don’t know how to deal with these fucking people, it’s bizarre, there’s so many connections that I considered friends but as soon as I started actually doing what I’ve been preaching (I’ve been an open communist for years, everyone knows) I’m suddenly enemy number one. It’s been absolutely fucking terrible and has eroded my mental health, for what it’s even worth, severely.
Right now I think we’re finding that ML organizations are beginning to gain steam because there’s people like me who’ve become completely disillusioned with the anarchist and “horizontal” organizing that’s lead to jack and shit getting done or accomplished. ML organizations are the groups which have been able to articulate most meaningfully how this struggle is connected and have, in my experience, worked most successfully with local Palestinian and other anti-imperialist groups; this is why I joined PSL for god’s sake! But jokers like this, useless self-defeating white chauvinistic people like this, I don’t know what the hell to do with them. If we’re not able to get past people like this as a movement for liberation, we’ll get nowhere, their anti-intellectualism and adventurist tendencies (as well as general tendency for dramatic bullshit) are so counterproductive that it will lead to a new failed left if there’s not a well-reasoned, articulated, and popular resistance against people like this. Fucking sick of it.
Edit: And to add, I’ve had to deal with so much paternalistic bullshit from white guys in their 30s who consider themselves “very serious organizers” who after lengthy conversations simply fall back onto thought terminating cliches (authoritarianism) or just outright threats of violence towards me and my friends. I have so much frustration built up it’s ridiculous, I wish to god there was a clear solution but I nor anyone around me who’s in a similar position can articulate it.
Edit: And to add, I’ve had to deal with so much paternalistic bullshit from white guys in their 30s who consider themselves “very serious organizers” who after lengthy conversations simply fall back onto thought terminating cliches (authoritarianism) or just outright threats of violence towards me and my friends.
What you said is deadass why I stopped organizing with crackers. I save my time, my energy, and my effort for explicitly Black causes at this point because I’m sick of the paternalism, I’m sick of the insistence on assimilation, I’m sick of the tone policing, I’m sick of the liberal optic games. The next cracker to talk down to me in a ‘left’ offline space is getting his nose broken; so I’m tryna avoid that assault charge for as long as I humanly can.
Like, it fucks me off so damn bad; I used to think my oldheads were just being backwards, recalcitrant oldheads about white folk and increasingly commonly these days, I find myself just "damn, my OGs were really right about y’all". That thought alone pisses me off bc if they’re right, that means a solid half of this bullshit society spent my formative years lying that we’d ever get past this together, rather than apart; and I really don’t know how to deal with that anymore than to protect my peace, and that of my community.
when I joined
I’m glad you finally got in, comrade - I lost access to my element so I wasn’t sure how things went
Don’t let this get to you, keep working to build a movement. I am sorry a lot of your friends are so unprincipled and have decided to act antagonistically toward you. it actually should be against their interests, but they live in an idealist bubble that is only maintained through policing the morality of other organizers through informal power structures and exclusion. These anarchist/chauvinists are in fact only a small minority even if they are very prevalent in inward-facing organizing circles, it is only a symptom of the defunct history & nature of the US left and the discontinuity in the US communist movement. However “very serious” these “organizers” are, they are not representative of the masses of people which is what we are looking to organize. Don’t worry about them. I think their influence in the movement for Palestinian liberation is being very exaggerated in this thread, a lot of it seems to focus on the PNW. Most parts of the country don’t have such a large anti-communist-left scene, and the student movement is a real mass movement that has incorporated so many different communities, most of this stuff becomes completely irrelevant day-to-day
Commit felonies that have little effect but that can easily be traced back to you.
spoiler
Armed community self-defense isn’t smashing the windows of frat houses and uncoordinated property destruction. Firebombing counterprotestors? You might as well kill someone of actual importance.
So these people are adventurists. They say “fuck the communists” and call for acts of individualist terrorism. This is anti-Leninist thought. Do not do adventurism.
Here is a work by Lenin where he criticizes adventurism. As example, he criticizes socialist Stepan Balmashov for assassinating Russian politician Dmitry Sipyagin. Lenin writes, “everyone knows and sees perfectly well that this act was in no way connected with the masses and, moreover, could not have been by reason of the very way in which it was carried out—that the persons who committed this terrorist act neither counted on nor hoped for any definite action or support on the part of the masses. In their naïveté, the Socialist-Revolutionaries do not realise that their predilection for terrorism is causally most intimately linked with the fact that, from the very outset, they have always kept, and still keep, aloof from the working-class movement, without even attempting to become a party of the revolutionary class which is waging its class struggle.”
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1902/sep/01.htm
Nah the biggest issue is that terrorism, while sometimes based, will not lead to communism
