Yeesh
There’s been multiple threads already, yeah.
I’ve thought about joining DSA a few times just to connect with new people but then I see shit like this and don’t want my money paying dues to bullshit like this
Literally more damaging than doing nothing
There are at least three ML parties in the United States:
FRSO
CPUSA
PSL
just saying: your options are open and they have been growing since the year 2020.
If not, you can check Facebook and Instagram since they’re good for finding orgs in your area, various leftist groups and the like.
Barring that, there are AFL-CIO unions, independent labor unions, and the IWW.
Like I said, there are options.
Just thought I’d tell you all this in case you were feeling hopeless or distraught.
I agree that the DSA is… not my first pick. I’ve defended them, but the “caucus system” is something I don’t agree with.
(I’m apart of CPUSA but I want to say that I’m formulating this post as impartially as I can.)
I am technically still a UFCW member and have seen firsthand how useless they are. I haven’t looked much into PSL but maybe they might have something nearby.
Hopeless is the word. I’m feeling very despondent lately and if not for places like this community I’d feel like my perceptions of the world are completely insane and I’d probably have given up by now.
I really have just come to expect nothing good to happen in my life and any efforts I make to improve it will be so counterproductive it’s better to do nothing
unions are part of the superstructure and as such class struggle can (and has to) only be struggled within them in proportion to the level of class struggle flowing around and through them. definitely get into local organizing every field needs work and organizer development!
I really have just come to expect nothing good to happen in my life and any efforts I make to improve it will be so counterproductive it’s better to do nothing
if nothing good is gonna happen in your own life then you can at least do some good for others by dedicating yourself to serving the people. doesn’t need to be under the auspices of a particular organisation, just go engage with the masses somehow in a positive way and keep reading revolutionary thinkers and try to apply what they say to what you see in front of you. nihilism and defeatism isn’t good enough comrade, people are out there being massacred by our ruling classes and they don’t get the option to embrace nihilism.
CPUSA
dogshit supporters of the demoncrats since the mid 20th century, also feds
PSL
tailist sect who like to try and co-opt movements without doing the political work necessary to actually lead and organise them. also not fully sure but don’t they have an iffy line regarding queer ppl
FRSO
not as bad as the first two but they make a pretty crucial mistake in saying that the US is no longer a settler-colony, IIRC
FRSO does not officially believe that last part.
PSL are not tailist
Also, we at CPUSA are not feds or supporters of Democrats.
CPUSA does not classify as any Marxist party
They have no international solidarity and I’ve met multiple prominent CPUSA members who vocally support reformism and the police state
What type of party is it when leaders can say stuff like this and not get purged?
At least DSA doesn’t pretend to be anything they’re not and still accomplish more material good than CPUSA lol
This is why I moved to build a PSL branch in my area instead of a CPUSA branch
“They have no international solidarity and I’ve met multiple prominent CPUSA members who vocally support reformism and the police state”
Actually, the CPUSA has met several times with the Communist Party of China.
Also, we support prison and police abolition.
CPUSA does not classify as any Marxist party
Actually, CPUSA is a Marxist-Leninist party, per its constitution, party program, and several documents.
FRSO is technically a pre-party formation, but yea they are a ML organization focusing on building a working class party
literally all I’ve ever seen on this site until now is how garbage CPUSA is and how assimilated it’s become.
PSL and FRSO definitely have promise, though PSL specifically has some weird shit going on with SA accusations
That’s because much of this website (Hexbear) hails from Reddit.
On Twitter and, I guess, Instagram, it’s much more positive and I’m pretty much a regular on “CPUSA twitter” or whatever we call ourselves.
Unfortunately, I’m the only CPUSA member I know here and so I’m the only one giving “the other side of the story,” so to speak.
It’s kinda lonely, ngl
There are also many smaller orgs that do good work and are commie but they’re regional or city-specific.
A good question to ask when shopping for an org is to ask who is organizing? Not just attending an action, but doing real world organizing. Focus on those groups in your area.
Also make sure that you’re comfortable leaving or disagreeing with your org at all times. If something goes south, you want the option of supporting the right side. The stuff with PSL you mention is what happens when comrades make bad decisions in an attempt to save face and protect each other and would’ve been avoided if the chapters in question had discipline.
I don’t know where you are but I hear mixed things about DSA.
My experience with the DSA in my area makes them laughable at best. This kinda shit from their members or cacuses makes total sense in my experience.
Los Angeles area which despite what people say as far as I can tell is packed to the fucking gills with CHUDs and unscratched liberals
You can join DSA without dues. But obviously do so with a plan and reasonable goals of what you want to get out of it because overall it’s an incoherent reformist group that spends most of its time fighting about or talking about things like this. Don’t expect too much out of it and it can be a fine first step to getting involved.
You could also just join a different and better group. See who’s organizing local pro-Palestine actions, maybe?
There’s a lot of baby leftists, new ex-Democrats, and people that just don’t have a deep theoretical backing joining DSA. It’s an excellent group to join and have a real shot at influencing the political line, making sure actions your chapter takes are meaningful, and actually advance Socialism. YMMV based on what chapters are nearby.
Lol. The fucking president of an AES country (or ANY COUNTRY) makes time to sit down and talk with you and you skip out? What in the entire fuck.
I’ve always defended DSA, even against many, many criticisms that are lobbed at them by other MLs, but this is… wrong.
So… wrong-headed of them to do this.
Let’s say that you are in opposition to someone’s political project. Imo there are there are four major options available:
- To make pleas
To ask or demand that they cease a course of action such as a war or that they release political prisoners like Leonard Peltier or Mumia Abu-Jamal.
- To listen to your opponent so as to better critique them or to get better information about what moves they are going to make
This is useful in a Khrushchev-type situation because you can quote them directly, debunk their bullshit, and if you’re lucky you might even be able to get ahead of where they have signalled they are taking things to provide pre-emptive critique with which to strengthen the counter-movement.
- To grill your opponent
This is more in the style of the dying art of the adversarial journalist. You throw difficult or impossible questions at them and try to trip them up or expose more information than they otherwise would. Unlikely that this would be tolerated from a “friendly” delegation that is being extended the offer of a private audience to much extent.
- Conscientious objection
This is where you are completely opposed to them or where they are doing something unconscionable at the moment. For best effect, attend and then when the hot-button issue gets mentioned or you bring it up, walk out at their response.
(Of course there are a million other options depending on the circumstances such as choosing to meet with king Charles so you can keep your hands in your pockets and spit in his face or to talk enthusiastically about the French or October Revolutions.)
These people are supposed to be part of a political vanguard.
The fact that they are playing at politics like it’s a fucking highschool popularity contest speaks volumes about how deeply unserious and oblivious they are. I would have a modicum of respect for them if they had chosen to act in a way that advances their political ends to some extent, even if I disagreed with their goals. This, however, is dismal.
I hope the Cuban government rejects those people who didn’t meet with Diaz-Canel and instead met with the opposition leaders next time they apply for a visa.
I would have a modicum of respect for them if they had chosen to act in a way that advances their political ends to some extent, even if I disagreed with their goals. This, however, is dismal.
They met up with Cuban dissent groups. That’s their political goal: to network with Cuban dissent groups in Cuba and Cuban gusanos in Miami (she mentioned how she focuses her organizing on gusanos in Miami) with the ultimate political goal of toppling the Cuban government.
She’s an op.
Oh goddamn.
Without wanting to cause drama, I have a very low bar for my expectations of the DSA (especially the executive end of it) but despite that I’m still surprised to hear about this.
On a personal level the only reason I’d ever get involved with the DSA would be to network with people on a grassroots level, especially where there aren’t other options in my region, or to foment a split.
Every time I speak to a self-proclaimed “democratic socialist” or I hear about a DemSoc org invariably I come away from it even more disappointed in them. It’s funny how these clowns will chastise people like me for “advocating for bloody and violent revolution” and how reformism is the correct/only way or how I need to change my rhetoric or my approach because I will “lose them”; I always respond to them telling them that they are my ideological opponent and that I neither want their approval nor am I seeking it. This usually upsets them because they tend to have a serious case of political Main Character Syndrome where they presume that everyone agrees with them, where they think that they have a special claim over the term “socialist”, and they assume that everyone wants their involvement:
“I don’t want to play with you!!”
“Good, I ain’t playin’. Go home because you aren’t wanted here.”
Ugh this sucks… maybe I can help.
Can you link me to any evidence that clearly shows this person is allowing with gusanos in Miami or other people trying to overthrow Cuba’s government? I will work on a resolution to expel her from DSA and get it percolating in my chapter.
Maria in particular met with anti-government opposition groups
This was a coordinated effort by Trot entryists.
I think most people here like to joke about icepicks, but remember that these people are genuinely enemies of the working class.
Can’t read any additional posts, can someone post a nitter link or something?
This worked for me. May rate limit Jesus be on your side.
https://nitter.esmailelbob.xyz/DrBlobb/status/1781125384538403217
Deeply fucking unserious
