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There are platforms (like twitter) where every word counts. And the TL;DR thing on the internet is real. I don’t think you can blanketly say that elaborating is always easy and therefore it’s always ignorance if someone does not give the full spiel.

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I said a sentence, not a full spiel. Literally “apes together strong” is probably a more useful political message than “Organize!”

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“apes together strong” could be worse. People already know this. What they don’t know is that it is possible and necessary to organise to realise that strength.

Taking the example of unions: people know that uniting with other workers should make them stronger—but then they get frustrated when they don’t organise within it, when they treat it as an organisation that will work for them. They pay their dues and tell people, ‘I joined the other apes but they keep letting me down. There’s no rep and they don’t do anything for me.’

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Ok, but what context is that sentence in? If you said “get involved with a group of activists even if you need to make the group yourself” to a neo-nazi, you aren’t really helping the communist cause, are you. You aren’t with saying “organize” either, of course. But the point I’m trying to make is against overgeneralizing the context of what these things are being said in order to be dismissive about how people are presenting them and the knowledge they are implied to possess as a result.

I resisted saying it at first cause I didn’t want it to come across as a snarky gotcha, but it seems relevant at this stage of our back and forth to point out that in your original post of dismissal, you did not in fact elaborate on what organizing means yourself. And within the back and forth so far, the furthest you have gotten is “get involved with a group of activists even if you need to make the group yourself.” Which has no inherent anti-imperialist, working class, or communist connotation within it.

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Ok, but what context is that sentence in? If you said “get involved with a group of activists even if you need to make the group yourself” to a neo-nazi, you aren’t really helping the communist cause, are you.

Comrade, what the fuck are you talking about?

You aren’t with saying “organize” either, of course. But

But nothing, it’s just a dumb argument, I’m sorry. You say different things to different groups.

I resisted saying it at first cause I didn’t want it to come across as a snarky gotcha, but

Your resisting was a good impulse and I wish you could have kept it up.

it seems relevant at this stage of our back and forth to point out that in your original post of dismissal, you did not in fact elaborate on what organizing means yourself. And within the back and forth so far, the furthest you have gotten is “get involved with a group of activists even if you need to make the group yourself.” Which has no inherent anti-imperialist, working class, or communist connotation within it.

Ironically, you make the same error here. Telling some chud to “Organize!” isn’t that useful. “Organize!” exhortations come after a transmission of ideas like “apes together strong” or “don’t blame Mexicans for your boss fucking you” or whatever, because the standard formula is to make an argument about values or facts of the world or whatever and then conclude with a call to action. Add one (1) additional tweet to the chain if you need to in order to prevent that call to action from being a single word; it’s really not that hard.

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