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I feel like this website is substantially different from the subreddit in lots of ways I don’t like. Feels like it’s slowly morphing into Every Other Leftist Community on the internet, so I guess I should savor my insults while we still have them? I dunno, I’m just complaining into the void.
And before anyone asks I’m trans, I have no problem with neopronouns, but I do have a problem with pronouns being opt-out instead of opt-in. I just don’t like the trajectory this website seems to be going in, but I’m also not really sure why I’m bothering to post this because the mods, as with all active mods on all forums, pretty clearly don’t really care about the opinions of people who don’t already agree with them.
The main difference is that it’s smaller and still figuring stuff out, the old chapo sub had a long time for gradual growth, and a lot of similar dramas and struggle sessions throughout its life.
I’m honestly confused at how out of proportion this has become, the site wasn’t made by a few nasty mods who don’t listen, it’s been since the beginning a community thing and there’s constant dialogue and feedback. I’m not really sure what else they’re supposed to do given that the pronouns and everything around it was something that was asked and strongly pushed for since the beginning and they’ve just tried to carefully integrate stuff in response to the feedback. In some ways i’ve seen a lot of people who not long ago were saying the opposite, that the progress/response on the pronouns thing was too slow.
Idk, the “don’t care about the opinions of people who don’t already agree with them” seems extremely unfair to me given the constant dialogue and self-crit of the devs/admins/mods. I don’t know what your experience has been but it seems in bad faith.
Maybe I’m legitimately in the minority here and just don’t wanna admit it, I dunno. I’m just saying my piece, and clearly some people agree with me. Maybe most don’t, I don’t really know.
No that’s good, your piece is valuable as well. And I do think that a lot of the issue is not the actual substance but small details in how it was communicated which kinda helped it spiral into struggle session, like a lot of people here are saying, but I have a harder time on the “mods don’t listen” thing since from what I’ve seen the whole time since this site was first launched, is a constant attempt at listening/feedback and trying to do/be better. Obviously everyone’s experience is different, and I don’t think there’s a “perfect” solution to this whole opt-in/opt-out stuff, but It seems like the result of this is probably the best compromise and a better understanding of the topic for many. Path to growth for both a lot of users and the dev/mod team, imo.
Eh. This is all too online anyway, I just hope everyone here (angry or not) is having a nice day, and if you’re a leftist I am still your comrade, that’s not gonna change.
Wow, I thought the opt-out pronouns was a great solution. Seeing this comment with so many upvotes is depressing. Pronouns are why you don’t like the trajectory of this website? JFC
Agreed, this is wild. How hard is it to go into account settings and click a couple of times. “I used to be leftist, but then chapo.chat asked me to opt out of pronouns.”
Thank you, you have nailed it. I came to Chapo for the dirtbag aesthetic and the leftism. I feel like this site has lost its edge. When I see posts on main about horoscopes and witchcraft, I realize that we have descended into radlib territory.
Edit: What did I say?
See I don’t even care about the horoscopes and witchcraft stuff, I always thought the whole “everything I don’t like is libshit” thing was stupid, and that’s one thing that I’m glad seems to be going away. I’m more just talking the like… general vibes, which I’m aware is a useless statement.
You’re right. Having beatnik be the one who made this site will mean its slow slide into being not chapo, he was never the mod there that actually made it good and understood the purpose of the community.
This move is dumb and alienating to users who simply don’t want to be forced into having some pronoun tag. Thinking that combats transphobia is idiocy.
If i cant call everyone a liberal but me and have to adhere to some cabal’s edicts, i have just fallen into a traditional tankie time sink
What do horoscopes and witchcraft have to do with pronouns?
Do you really see pronouns as “radlib” and the opposite of leftism?
You saw a post about something gender-y and decided to go off about those damn pagans making your website less edgy??
I dunno, there were a lot more memorable posters than just Neera. Though Neera was great. PraximusPrime, 7DeadlyFetishes, Rebro, PrinceKroptkin, StoryofRachel… probably others that aren’t coming to mind right now, too. For better or worse, I feel like Chapo had just as many strong personalities that people recognized… maybe even more, honestly. I don’t recognize that many posters here yet, but that might just be because it’s not been around for as long. Shame most of the Old capital P Posters didn’t come over, though.
