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It’s been 17 years since the last election. Assuming only 18 and up could vote, that means only people current around 34 and up could vote. So the bulk of Palestinians didn’t even have a chance to vote in that election. Not to mention that they were given the choice between a corrupt faction (Fatah) and a possible less corrupt faction (Hamas).

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I am so afraid this message is getting lost. There has been a deliberate push to paint this latest incident to be the reason that neighborhoods had to be flattened and civilians slaughtered.

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Really makes you think about why Hamas is so radicalized, doesn’t it? It’s not like you can pull a Muslim out of a hat and radicalize them. People in a stable, healthy, and fair socioeconomic position do not see violence as an answer. People who live under constant oppression, inequality, and fear do.

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Isreali citizens = also victims, although much less abused and arguably somewhat complicit if they immigrated.

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Settlers aren’t innocent

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degrees of innocence maybe. An Israeli who has never personally done direct violence to a Palestinian is definitely more innocent than one who has killed a Palestinian

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This part always makes me feel ambivalent about the Israelites in the conflict. Israeli citizens are complicit victims, and that’s a contradiction but it’s also true. Civilians are getting hurt and dying and that’s not okay. However those same Israeli citizens are also supporting a basically genocidal government. Thousands of guidanceless rockets were fired at Isreal, are they expected not to respond? Hundreds of thousands of Palestinians have been victimized for their entire lives, are they expected not to respond?

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If you’re just born in Tel Aviv or Gaza City, I don’t think you should be blamed for these military things. Maybe you support Hamas or Otzma Yehudit, but you’re kind of a product of your environment, and if tangential support is all you do you’re still a bystander. Maybe not a great example of humanity, but a bystander none the less.

I would have to be pretty truly desperate to consider aliyah myself, even before there was a war. I guess I could do it, and then support forces in Israel for peace, but I’m not sure if I’d make any difference, and they’re going to be reluctant to let in my never-practiced ass even without me being openly hostile to the whole project.

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Thousands of guidanceless rockets were fired at Isreal, are they expected not to respond?

This kind of thinking is what got the troubles as bad as it was

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“Hamas” has done more for Palestinians than all the “aid” ever given by the EU.

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Hamas have done more for Palestine than anything the EU has ever done

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Hamas has supporters because they are the only one who fight. If tomorrow, Hamas disappears, there will be another group that Palestinians would support and another and another until there are no reasons for the Palestinians to resist

you don’t need to like them or anything (this is not liberalism and freedom of association is not real), our morals or opinions can’t stop the mechanism that is taking place in the place

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Palestinian politics is also very heavily influenced by which group is getting external support and aid

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Go Spain.

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