I’m almost morbidly curious to hear how the settlers will spin this as not being rank, flagrant collaboration with neo-fascists. Not enough to go looking, but… Almost.
That’s not entirely inaccurate, while people are acknowledging this was a domestic fuck up, they’re also freaking out over Russian “propaganda” and “misinformation.” It seems like they’re more angry at the fact we gave Putin“ammunition” rather than applauding a Nazi as a whole. If this had happen at any other point in time certain people wouldn’t be freaking out as much.
The lines I am seeing as of right now:
“How could we possibly have known!? Oh the horror!”
"Well, he only served with a nazi regiment, but he was obviously coerced-he volunteered? Shit. Well he was coerced into volunteering!
“Oh yeah, well Russian Propaganda! We need to stand against anything Russia says, even if it is true”
The fact that they’re all trying to act like they had no idea the guy was a Nazi is infuriating. WHO ELSE FOUGHT THE RUSSIANS IN WW2?
Poland and Finland, though there’s more nuance there than libs care to observe. For example, ignoring the fact the territory they took from Poland was Ukrainian territory Poland was, uh, “making Polish”. And obviously the Finns wound up joining the Nazis. They also seem to think Ukraine spontaneously fought the Soviets and just happened to get Nazi support later.
They exist in a vacuum where they think the bulk of the Axis powers and allies that fought Russians were somehow wholesome victims who had no choice but to fight for Nazis. But, paradoxically, the USSR can’t be forgiven for the Nonaggression Pact (even though the West signed NAPs first and financed much of the Nazi war machine, sometimes even during the war). Liberals have the attention span and object permanence of a wet noodle.
Poland and Finland, though there’s more nuance there than libs care to observe.
Both were fascist too, and de facto dictator of Finland Mannerheim had an episode when he pushed for commiting a treason against even his ultrareactionary country just to kill some commies.
Still, libs don’t seem to care about fascists unless they punch first. At least here in the US, they only view the Nazis and Japanese negatively, and even then only barely. To them all that matters is who punched first (from their perspective) and who killed more people (from their metrics). On some level, they recognize Nazi’s racism as exceptionally awful, but when they believe everybody has committed genocides in the tens of millions, it dilutes it horribly.
My Philosophy of Race professor once mentioned “soft denialism”, not about this specifically, but the concept of diluting and undermining the severity of a crime against humanity by arguing that everyone is guilty of something similar.
It really is amazing how effective 10 years of propaganda can be, because what was a fringe belief is now touted as utterly true. Personally, I’m sick of talking about world war 2 but that’s all those braindead hypocrites care to mention.
It really is. They all seem to be drinking the Koolaid from the same source, too, because I’ve met a wide variety of people who identify all over the political spectrum, yet when it comes to the USSR or China, they repeat the same talking points and insults almost verbatim. Which, again, is telling, because they hold a variety of nuanced and varied opinions on literally any other economic system or government. They just seem to agree on communism being evil, or at least corrupted by evil gubermints.
Finland
Nazis who collaborated with the Nazis during the continuation war
Poland
Poland fought for about 10 seconds and then were knocked out, they were not a modern military power. Poland also worked with Germany to carve up Czechoslovakia
It astounds me to no end that the west’s governments will always default to “whoopsy-doodle! We’re sowwy! We didn’t know that we were doing a bad thing, we apawlogise! 🥺” And the western public just falls for it, every single time. And in the next breath they’ll talk about how great it is we don’t live in an “authoritarian country” like China, a country that actually holds their politicians accountable instead of letting them get away with everything.
Nothing i hate more than “yes-man” politicians, put a nazi and tell them to clap and they fucking do it 😡 when our time comes we will not make excuses for terror.
As a Canadian, I hate this country so fucking much. Every single mainstream party is full of bullshit. They promised to protect workers, LGBTQ+ people, minorities, and indigenous people and have categorically failed. Canadians are feeling betrayed, and since we have no true left wing that resonates with the population, they are getting swept up by Pierre Poilievre and his outright populist Nazi fuckery. This country is fucking embarrassing. This parliament thing doesn’t surprise me one bit, the Canadian parliament would rather bring in an actual Nazi into parliament and give them a standing ovation before helping actual Canadians who need help. Sorry for the rant.
