https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/1668720685617762307
Even if we just blindly believe the CIA here, this doesn’t mean anything. Maybe the CIA **did ** tell Ukraine not to do it as the story says, but then someone higher up at the CIA overruled that later. Or maybe the CIA didn’t want Ukraine to do it because they wanted to do it themselves in a more professional way. Or to find a 3rd party that would do it instead. Or to just wait and do it latter. Just the statement “we told them not to do it at this specific point” only implies that Ukraine and the CIA had plans and motivation to do it, but the CIA didn’t want to do it at that specific point or in that specific way.
There’s no way that Seymore Hersh would be able to report on a story from a single source that contradicted popular narratives and then end up being correct.
My Lai? What is that? Some kind of tea?
I fail to see why it would be strategically beneficial for the CIA to manufacture claims that UKR blew up the pipeline. Blame Russia or like Poland or something. That’s much closer to your strategic interests.
Fucking morons
I fail to see why it would be strategically beneficial for the CIA to manufacture claims that UKR blew up the pipeline. Blame Russia or like Poland or something. That’s much closer to your strategic interests.
Poland is also being blamed. https://www.politico.eu/article/nord-stream-saboteurs-may-have-used-poland-as-base-of-operations-wsj-reports/
I fail to see why it would be strategically beneficial for the CIA to manufacture claims that UKR blew up the pipeline. Blame Russia or like Poland or something. That’s much closer to your strategic interests.
Lmao they tried desperately to blame russia and it didn’t stick because it was stupid on its face and obvious nonsense. They are trying to blame Poland right now, they’re roping them into the ukrainian yacht conspiracy
I love that Russia blowing up their own pipeline was so obviously false that over a year later they’re trying to run with this.
Like it’s not even that much more plausible, literally the only people that stand to gain from the pipeline’s destruction are American oil execs.
I mean, the article here is saying that Ukraine had plans to blow up Nord Stream and the US told them to stand down and they did… at that time. But that makes Ukraine just more likely responsible for it, not less. And this is somehow proving Hersh wrong… I don’t get the logic here at all.
They’re just trying to get a story to stick to avoid looking like the US committed a direct act of war against Russia.
I think it’s a half truth/limited hangout. Maybe they got a Ukrainian to make the bomb or just happened to find Ukrainian plans that lined up with what the USN was already doing - who knows, but we know that it’s the US who benefits.
Weird that Hersh’s story came out first, and then a bunch of stories “correcting” it only showed up after.
God, remember the Iraq War 20th anniversary all those pieces like “journalism failed the American people after 9/11. Good thing we’ve all learned from it and it’ll never happen again.”
Hersh’s source attributed the operation to US Navy divers with a boat departing from, if I recall, Norway.
Western media sources are converging on a story about Ukrainian nationals using a boat rented and launched from somewhere in mainland Europe (I think Poland). Totally independent of US ruling class/CIA involvement of course (and why would their CIA sources lie about such a thing?).
Hersh’s account also is very realistic in how this operation would proceed. The ‘Ukr did it alone’ story is highly implausible for many reasons. But don’t let reason get in the way of some good ole propaganda campaign.
The official story, unless they’ve changed it is that it was a rag-tag group of Ukrainians who are unaffiliated with the government or military of Ukraine.
I keep saying this, but this story literally gets funnier every time it gets brought up.
It’s now apparent Seymour Hersh dealt such a major blow to the US narrative, it’s essentially irreparable. They STILL can’t get their story straight on this months later.
