what makes you think marx would have dissapproved of the ussr?

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The red fascism, genocide, anti-semitism, and inevitable collapse into just actual fascism.

(Don’t ask Bakunin about the anti-semitism)

(Or who he thought led their evil cabal)

Though I think Marx would generally have considered the USSR merely part of the inevitable process.

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Okay, regardless of what political tendency you end up at, you really have to understand that none of those things are true. This is just a matter of history.

The USSR was not fascist, it was as far from fascism as any political system can possibly be. It was fundamentally anti-imperialist and was by far the most important actor in the defeat of European fascism in the 20th century, as well as in supporting national liberation movements across the world afterwards. Its collapse was devastating to workers’ and indigenous peoples’ rights globally.

Similarly, the USSR not only did not commit any genocides, not only was not antisemitic, but was essentially the only thing standing in the way of the total extermination of every single person from west Poland to Siberia by the German Nazis’ genocidal colonial expedition. Red Army prisoners of war were the first to die in the gas chambers of Auschwitz, and Red Army soldiers liberated it and stopped the Holocaust. The idea that the USSR committed genocide, whether by ‘intentionally causing famine’ or by any other means you may have heard, is a lie that provably originated with Joseph Goebbels himself, and was amplified by the media empire of US fascist William Randolph Hearst.

If you want any books or articles to read about any of this then I’ll happily provide them, but understanding the real history of the first socialist nation is absolutely crucial to both understanding the world as it is now and imagining how it can be changed for the better in the future.

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Beautiful effort post. Made even better by the immediate “lalala I can’t hear you” reply

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If that makes you feel better about M-L. The sins of the past don’t need to be the sins of the future.

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