I have no doubt whatsoever that the first humans to set foot on another world will plant the flag of a socialist nation.
Eh, they’re both still at a pretty low stage based on property rights. Both still have private property rights, but China’s definitely ahead on the strength and breadth of their state monopolies and managed to keep land ownership away from their capitalist through the lease system.
The higher stage would be complete state ownership like the USSR, Cuba, DPRK, or GDR. Where the state controls all productive capital and private profit motive is all but abolished.
if the workers own the means of production why are there chinese billionaires?
is china doing better than most other countries? yes. have they achieved socialism? doesn’t look like it to me.
The issue is not whether China has billionaires but whether China has billionaires who control China. The UK is officially a kingdom with a king and an aristocracy, but no one would say the UK is a feudal country because the king and the aristocracy as a class do not control the UK. It’s not like the UK has to become a republic and scrap the House of Lords in order to officially become a capitalist country.
For the UK’s case, portions of the aristocracy do control the UK, but they control it through their capacity as members of the bourgeoisie, not as members of the aristocracy. Their membership within the aristocracy is more a vestigial social class than an economic class. Actual aristocrats outside the royal family (ie aristocrats who aren’t capitalists) play a marginal role within British society, mostly functioning as glorified landlords.
I don’t see China being steered by Chinese billionaires. Even the steps taken backwards like getting rid of the iron rice bowl are steps taken by the party rather than any conscious effort by the Chinese bourgeoisie to enrich themselves. They largely do what the party tells them to do. Jack Ma learned that the hard way. And the billionaires who get liquidated by the state learned that the harder way.
he’s pressing the socialism button :maduro-coffee: :CommiePOGGERS:
What a statement, really shows intent. But do they have the material base for it? I know a lot of it is fluff, but I don’t think it would be controversial to say here that Venezuela isn’t in the best shape. 2030 is almost seven years away, hard to believe as it is. I suppose the answer may lie in what Maduro defines as “Socialism.” As an ML, “Socialism” to me is the “era of transition.” A fully realized Communist state by 2030 just seems impossible.
that phrase is typically used to mean a country operated by an ideologically coherent communist party administering a socialist economy, but yeah it can get confusing. “communist society” is normally the phrase I see to mean the hypothetical situation where money, the state, and all private property have been abolished
it’s like when Krushchev promised ‘communism in 20 years’ in '61
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