Latest foss drama. Consequences of your actions…
the /r/linux subreddit thread about this is as awful as you would imagine.
The SJW’s are coming for your toothbrush!!!-
The /r/linux thread has been brigaded by his groupies. This seems to be a trend when some racist transphobe cybercracker comes under fire.
It’s also true that thar subreddit is trash. So maybe the thread would not have looked much different without brigading.
Also I don’t understand the deal with Hyprland. For some reason the distro I use (void linux) can’t or won’t package it. Never looked into why.
cybercracker
hahaha I’m using that from now on
That sub is normally trash, true. But, there’s another thread about this topic that’s a bit better.
distro I use (void linux)
How do you like that compared to other distros?
If you want a layman’sol opinion between Arch Linux ARM and Void Linux I much prefer Void Linux partly because systemd. I don’t hate systemd but it seems to add a layer of esoteric complexity that I have discovered I don’t need through my usage of Void Linux.
For example, I had been trying to set up a wifi USB adapter on Arch. I have installed and configured iwd for this. In Void, this would have been enough. But in Arch, there is a one-shot service that checks if network is available and other services that need network/internet can use this service as a depenendency. This is a nice feature but it turns out I then also have to configure this wifi interface in some systemd folder otherwise the one-shot service does not care a out the wifi adapter. Until I did this, some services would not start until the one-shot service timed out and failed and these kinds of problems are hard to google or ask help for because it is hard to tell in the first place what is going wrong.
There are other things like how systemd comes with its own implementations of ntpd, dns confguration and even some cron equivalent. It is very confusing. I guess it’s valuable knowledge if one uses systemd distros all the time though.
yeah systemd isn’t for me, but I don’t hate it. On debian so far it hasn’t really affected me negatively. After xz vulnerability I see increasing problems with it, and am considering using other distros including void…or one of the bsd’s…
Void won’t package Hyprland because it doesn’t use a stable/tagged version of wlroots, so it needs a vendored version to build it (ref: https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/issues/37544)
r/linux is a cesspool
To be fair, there was another thread discussing the same topic, and many people were calling out the vaxry, and pointing out the amount of brigading going on. Once any topic like this is brought up, the worst type of people come out…
Oh wow, that thread wasn’t around last time I checked (when I made my post in the weekly megathread), it really does go to show how the other thread is just entirely brigading when there’s a clear community consensus in the thread you mentioned of how fucked up it all is
Honestly, I think /r/linux is somehow less of a cesspool than the Lemmy equivalent most of the time lol, though at least it so far hasn’t had this kind of brigading issue
It’s still a cesspool. They were mad about the RMS fiasco, but for the wrong reasons. A lot of reddit tech subs were on his side during that.
Every option other than banning Vaxry has been exhausted over the past year and a half. I personally spent several weeks following my last blog post on the matter discussing Vaxry’s behavior in confidence and helping him understand how to improve, and at my suggestion he joined a private community of positive male role models to discuss these issues in a private and empathetic space. After a few weeks of these private discussions, the last thing he said to me was “I do believe there could be arguments to sway my opinion towards genocide”.
Wow, the Hyprland dev is a total POS. Glad I use sway (at least I hope there’s not fascists running it, too). I eventually want to migrate to river once I figure out how to extend it to my needs (probably need to learn Zig first, which is on my bucket list), but I really like sway’s tiling capabilities now.
Hopefully Hyprland is forked with a better dev/team
Honestly, I wish there was an alternative to Wayland, given the number of toxic devs in that sphere and the drama that occurs over the most basic features that never get implemented for many years because the team wants to essentially dictate how people should run their computers, while ignoring all of the special use cases, such as multi-window layouts for scientific programs. (This statement is a bit hyperbolic.)
Though it’s not just Wayland, the open source community in general can be extremely toxic.
Honestly, I wish there was an alternative to Wayland
I’ve been happily using the alternative for more than 25 years so far
Edit: Choosing to stan Poettering is a weird choice. You know he works for microsoft, right? The gigantic fascist software monopoly place that has been openly destroying human rights for decades, collaborates with the CIA/NSA/FBI and US state as a mass surveillance apparatus. He’s also always been an arrogant child, picking fights with principled engineers and working against the efforts of unix philosophy to insert awful windowisms into our ecosystem. Poettering is a disease on FOSS and his legacy is using RedHat/IBM to insert systemd (which is basically CIA bloatware with a massive pid-zero attack surface) into Linux will never be forgiven.
I did not know much, if anything, about Poettering. That’s good to know. My goal is to use OpenRC with s6, and I like how the s6 dev wants to create an init system to compete against systemd. I don’t like systemd for its bloat and flawed design, and some recent features of systemd have been sus.
I don’t pay much attention to dev manchildren, so forgive me if I am not aware of their histories.
Apologies if my Poettering rant was worded too strongly. I guess I just mean that there are very good reasons people dislike him so much. He’s earned far less animosity than he deserves imo.
s6 is cool, though I’ve not played around with it too much. I’ve mostly stuck with runit on my Linux systems since it’s simple, fast and I’m happy with it. You might take a look at dinit, too, if you haven’t already. It’s still maturing, but dinit is probably the most syntactically similar to systemd. Both are very fast.
“I do believe there could be arguments to sway my opinion towards genocide”.
Can someone explain this part to me. Please.
There is a disclaimer if you missed it:
Yes, this is taken out of context. But, if you raise this objection, I struggle to imagine in what context you think this statement can be read sympathetically.
Regardless of what statement this sentence (said from the Hyprland dev) comes from, this is still unhinged and essentially Nazi/fascist-sympathetic. I haven’t seen further context to conversation myself, but I still say the dev is deplorable.
Sucks, hyprland seems like a cool project. Oh well, guess I’ll stay satisfied on Sway.
Honestly as a Linux normie I just switched from GNOME (X11) to GNOME (Wayland) to Plasma (Wayland)
I have to be honest comrade, when the events that are going on are “a trans person is being harassed by one of the biggest bigoted serial harassers in the community for enforcing basic code of conduct rules”, I think this kind of comment is unnecessary at best and harmful at worst, this is not a “both sides” issue by any means
This person you showed isn’t even the freedesktop member responsible for the decision
Edit: To clarify, this isn’t a “liberals vs alt-right” two-sided conflict, this is a “Nazis attacking vulnerable minorities” one-sided conflict, if this kind of behavior from Vaxry is tolerated and allowed then that puts all such people in the community at risk, including people like us
Calling the US very pro LGBTQ while many states are banning gender affirming care is laughable.
I read your whole comment, but to be honest, I’m not really sure where to begin with this, because it doesn’t seem like you actually understand the situation and are making weird assumptions based on that misunderstanding
Hyprland isn’t the only window manager, there are others, it’s not like it is an essential part of Linux everyone must use.
I am really hoping you simply haven’t read into the context of this, because in case you’re not aware, this is not about hyprland the software at all or people contributing to it, this is about its main developer contributing to freedesktop.org projects such as wlroots (a Wayland compositor framework used by multiple projects including hyprland)
enforcing basic code of conduct rules
That they wrote themselves and want to apply everywhere. Obviously I’m not for insulting people because of sexual preferences, ethnicity, etc. but we don’t need liberals with a “Code of Conduct” to “protect” people. If a person doesn’t like a community, they don’t have to join it.
As I mentioned, this isn’t about other people joining hyprland, it’s about freedesktop.org, one of the most important organizations in the Linux ecosystem because it’s responsible for many foundational components. Codes of Conduct (along with enforcement of those) are an essential safety tool in these kinds of community, as you simply can’t tolerate Nazis and their ilk in a community like this without them forcing out all of the people who would be targeted by someone like that, who do exist in this community (the person enforcing the CoC in this instance being one of them)
The creator of Hyprland obviously isn’t bothered by having these alt-right/Nazi types in the community and hasn’t been willing to remove them. These liberals certainly won’t make him change his mind …
This doesn’t matter, because it’s not about hyprland, that guy can fuck off to his Nazi cave as far as I’m concerned, we aren’t trying to change hyprland. This is about this person trying to make himself at home in an organization full of the kind of people he targets, who will be under attack if someone like him is allowed this leeway. Those people are already part of this community and need to be kept safe, would you rather they be forced out?
US and NATO are also very pro-LGBTQ, does that mean we need to side with them against African and SEA countries who don’t have a good LGBTQ track record?
To be honest, I find this to be an extremely bad faith interpretation of my comment, and makes it sound like you didn’t even read what I wrote. Again, this is not about liberals using the aesthetics of “queer rights” to manufacture consent to attack the global south, this is a community full of queer people banning an outright Nazi because he is a threat to them. This isn’t about creating the image that the community is supposedly safe for queer people when it’s not, it’s about ensuring the safety of the queer people who are already here and contributing in major ways.
I have to be clear here, your comment is not some principled stand against imperialism, it is very close to being a defense for outright Nazis just because the people they’re targeting for being vulnerable minorities happen to be liberals (you know, like most people in the west), and I really hope that this is just because you have some kind of misunderstanding of what’s actually going on in this situation.
