Pretty interesting. A lot of these points have become the norm for any discussion in leftist spheres. How do we combat this?
The only fed shit you should really worry about (aside from legally protecting yourself) is indistinguishable from bad organization and recruiting. Interpersonal toxicity, sexual harassment, a failure to be welcoming to new recruits, including educating the libs, not actually doing any praxis but just debating all the time…
I always dislike when things like this are posted because people read into them way too much and are just like “Wow, that person thinks BLM matters and isn’t caring entirely about economy only, they’re CIA!” is how you empower stupidpol types and the like too.
How do you decide what’s irrelevant to leftist politics without basing it off of your own personal desires and saying other people need to follow yours?
You don’t.
The CIA heavily recruits from elite schools, and they tend to recruit dorks and true believers because of the conduct standards and the necessity of believing in the mission. It’s the same people who go into media or management consulting, but without the interesting kind.
You can spot Feds very easily because they’re stupid Ivy League types spouting the same old shit and they’re also not creative enough to give it a spin. The guy who sparked this entire thread is actually a great example of a suspected Fed (not Nick, the guy he was quoting who said some stupid shit). Edit: The guy being quote tweeted here https://twitter.com/SocialistMMA/status/1409553018513723393
The guy who sparked this entire thread is actually a great example of a suspected Fed (not Nick, the guy he was quoting who said some stupid shit).
I don’t see which account you mean
Why the fuck is everyone so certain they know what a fed is and isn’t like lmao none of you have a clue and you certainly don’t have enough collective experience to be able to really tell, or have your suspicions be confirmed/be proven wrong reliably.
This is a defeatist attitude that prevents anybody from learning or growing. This isn’t shitkicker public Twitter, this is a somewhat curated forum full of people who presumably know something about something that we all can glean info from. “lol none of us know, it’s soooo hard to tell” is Fed talk :)
I think the points highlighted in the tweet are important because they show that if a person is only interested in sowing division, being overly cautious, re-litigating old arguments etc. then they might not have the best interests at heart.
Like, obviously there isn’t a hard and fast rule or line that you have to cross - but I think in general you can figure if a person is being needlessly contrarian or frustrating.
Nick is a good dude, I’ve chatted with him a lot over the last few months, I watched him go from being a Bernie guy to more and more radical. I saw people on here yesterday calling him a grifter and that didn’t sit well with me given my interactions with him.
Step 1: log off Twitter where you’re willingly subjecting yourself to all of these things
These aren’t CIA instructions for infiltrating “leftist” orgs. Its actually old OSS instructions for engaging in soft industrial sabotage. They’re actually fairly good instructions and doing some of them at work can get you promoted.
By rejecting ideological purity. organizing to fill the gaps the Dems left in inner city and poor areas by focusing on the suburbs and pushing for Big tent and united front thinking.
The more we organize and get leftists out there the more people realIze it’s not as bad as they are lied about.
The DSA is lib and electoralism is a fuck but without using it and the system in general to make a fucking ground work to create a class conscious movement nothing will get done and we will be picked off in our isolated groups during the inevitable right wing push.
without using it to make a fucking ground work to create a class conscious movement
why do you have to use it? just make an actual workers party dude lmao