And what happens when this intervention causes new unforeseen consequences? How many disruptions until we leave well enough alone?
We don’t live in nature. We literally live in a human society. Rights do apply to us within our own realm lmao.
Edit: You probably stack rocks.
We don’t live in nature. We literally live in a human society.
Human society exists entirely within nature. There’s not some diving line where this place over here is natural and this place over there is unnatural. We decide what rights we have to what, because we decided that rights should exist.
And what happens when this intervention causes new unforeseen consequences? How many disruptions until we leave well enough alone?
There is no leaving well enough alone, unless you are content to watch it decline into deserts and polluted wastelands. Every action has consequences, and since we have already acted, the state of nature is the consequence of our action whether or not we continue to intervene.
I think this is a good way of putting it, imo your final sentence is really strong and I wonder if others would be more receptive if you started with it instead of ended with it. Still really appreciate your comment I might swipe it if that’s alright with you.
I appreciate the feedback, thanks, and feel welcome to anything I’ve written if you can find anything good in my ramblings. I don’t believe in intellectual property.
Very colonizer-brained. We certainly can delineate ourselves to a certain degree. At what scope have we tried leaving well enough alone for nature to run its course? Human “wisdom” has caused untold damage, what makes you so certain that same wisdom is what’s best?
And this isn’t a call for humanity to stop progressing or anything(though maybe…) just that well intentioned conservation seems short sighted and self serving. I’m not convinced our intervention is what will halt the decay.
Stacking rocks is cool and fun, actually.
I love the logic there. Allowing an entire species to go extinct due to the invasion of another species, potentially fucking up the local ecosystem? Perfectly fine, let nature run its course. Moving a few rocks, having negligible impact on the environment around them? Horrible, nature will never recover from this.
Yes that’s exactly right. Not all invasive species are a result of human fuckery (speaking outside of the scope of this particular article) and is literally natural. Extinction is natural. Ecosystem upheaval is natural. Why is your human ego and feelings for one species important here?
And you don’t even understand the irony. Sure on a macro level rock stacking is likely inconsequential most times, but you have no consideration to the micro ecosystems you’re upheaving because they’re out of sight. How many bacteria have you caused to go extinct? Lmao I don’t even care that badly about rock stacking I just thought it was a silly insult.
ok, to clarify arent all species invasive, as they need to compete in new environments as other environment change (cough or humans destroy their habitat by burning black ground juice cough) and become unsuitable?
to me central planning and scientific engagement is key to marxism, besides bourgeois interests being the thing that will find a way to mess this up, i can’t think of other major issues… help me out here if ya can comrade? i wouldn’t mind some good crit.
The idea that untouched nature progresses toward some idealized equilibrium isn’t true, unfortunately. Conservation takes work. It has always taken work. It took work even when this land was solely occupied by indigenous people. We’re already in the game and just withdrawing isn’t an option.
Life on Earth existed for hundreds of millions of years before human industrialisation, why are we so necessary to it’s continuation? Why isn’t withdrawing to a certain extent an option? Sounds like you’re arguing for the contradiction of infinite growth like a good capitalist.
I am not even going to respond other than to say your arguments are so dumb, like for real.
like a good capitalist
you probably stack rocks
colonizer-brained
seriously, just shut up.
Hmm, comrade I think the other commentor is a bit rude, and your ‘name-calling’ or rather insinuations by using similies is also a bit uncalled for.
By similie I am referring to, the use of “…infinite growth like a good capitalist”
It doesn’t really seem fair to me to levy a claim like that or make that inference since nothing the other commentor said really–to me at least–indicates them advocating for infinite growth.
