Hey hexbears just want to update everyone.
We took the weekend to properly consider and are removing: programming.dev , aussie.zone , and lemm.ee from our allow-list.
We will look at refederation with lemm.ee after local-only communities are developed. When that feature is available we would really like to consider changing every hexbear community to local-only except for chapotraphouse, askchapo, news, and the_dunk_tank. The final say on if a community is local only or not is 100% up to the mod team on that community.
The reason for this is that lemm.ee despite having twice our monthly active users has a 700k annual comment rate to hexbear’s 1 million, in addition lemm.ee has very little active communities that do not exist on hexbear.
Resulting in lemm.ee benefit of federation being votes and views, with a secondary benefit of comments.
However, as expressed by users belonging to marginalized groups, comments from .ee users are often lib-shit and in some cases outright hostile. While many on hexbear love dunking on these lost libs the duty to protect marginalized users is much more important.
The end vote for programming.dev and aussie.zone was a tie, so we decided to break the tie in favor of defederation. The decision on lemm.ee was much harder as the average user did express desire to remain federated however the admin team decided that a temporary removal from our allow-list was the best option.
As an admin team we have never wanted to prioritize growth, and we wanted to give federation with liberal instances a try, however we consider providing a safer browsing experience for marginalized users more important than the opportunity to dunk.
While user side instance blocking and local sort are options, neither address the issue of federated instance users coming into posts in hexbear communities to make reactionary comments.
Thank you everyone who gave input and please provide any feedback, comments, concerns, etc in comments.
final vote count:
federation
all 32
aussie.zone 27
lemm.ee 41
programming.dev 27
lemmy.blahaj.zone 5
defederation
all 40
aussie.zone 19
lemm.ee 4
programming.dev 19
lemmy.blahaj.zone 43
No, it has nothing to do with dunking on libs for its own sake, but on sustaining this website. In simplified terms, people come for/from the dunking and stay for the safe space. By defederating from the last major “normie” instance (lemmygrad is also cut off, lemmy.ml already has a reputation for being “tankie,” and every other instance is too small), it cuts off a source of newcomers.
This does not bode well for the future of this site. Unlike most people, I saw pre-federation Hexbear as slowly circling down the drain with members cannibalizing each other over pointless struggle sessions. As someone who only occasionally lurked in the original subreddit, I still do not and perhaps never will understand what people saw in pre-federation Hexbear. Hot take, but the vibes back then completely sucked, full of awkward passive aggressive energy that erupted when people started getting personal over treats. Frankly, pre-federation Hexbear didn’t have a future.
Federation introduced some needed life to the site even if the vast majority of Ledditors are complete shitheads. As we embark on post-federation Hexbear, I think Hexbear is going to resume circling down the drain with members once again cannibalizing each other over pointless struggle sessions. Non-federation outreach didn’t do jack shit during pre-federation Hexbear, so I do not have confidence that non-federation outreach will be somehow different in post-federation Hexbear.
Awoo’s comment is going to be prophetic if the admins actually defed for real.