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“it can’t be a genocide because the population is increasing” is imo a weak argument because genocide doesn’t require killing and I think the argument from no refugees is orders of magnitude stronger

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the argument from no refugees is orders of magnitude stronger

100%, I’m pretty sure it’s actually literally impossible to have a genocide with no refugees.

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What is the no refugees point? Just that there aren’t any Muslims fleeing China? Tia

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Genocides usually cause refugee crises, and there hasn’t been one from Xinjiang. What do you mean by “Tia”?

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On this note, people argue that there are many Muslim countries that have the diplomatic position that there is not issue with PRC treatment of Uyghur people. I think that this is a reasonable argument against “genocide”, however I don’t see this as a strong argument that “there are no human rights abuses happening here, nothing to see at all”.

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I agree that implying no mass death = no genocide is wrong, but it’s important to note that various sinophobic narratives around the treatment of Uyghurs (which I assume you’re referencing) are baiting in that direction already, pointing to birth rates and contraceptives as evidence of genocidal policies.

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There’s a tendency for AES-bashers to retreat to a lesser accusation multiple times. Genocide, cultural genocide, human rights abuses, repression, etc. Just retreat to the next accusation every time contrary evidence is presented.

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This post was a reply I accidentally made to the wrong comment, and several people seem to have upbeared it after I deleted it lmao.

deleted by creator is apparently a popular take.

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