Idk, this is just some rant post but this thing keeps fucking happening to me, it just happened to me. I will find out someone online or someone whose work I’m interested in or someone I was talking to is essentially and irreversibly reactionary
I’m sure the guy who makes these is also fucking brainwormed somehow but there’s a XKCD comic about the constructed language “Lojban” that I’ve been learning that goes like this:
[Cueball and Black Hat are having a conversation.]
Cueball: If you learned to speak Lojban, your communication would be completely unambiguous and logical.
Black Hat: Yeah, but it would all be with the kind of people who learn Lojban.
And it’s so fucking real. Just ughhh idek where to begin, so lemme start “here” as in Lemmy or the libiverse. The only other Lojban speaker I could find on here is on the fucking furry porn instance we aren’t federated with lol. Btw, I forgot this person’s pronouns and I don’t even wanna go look at this person’s profile again (you will see why) so I will do this, sorry: le furry porn instance Lojban speaker ku goi ko’a (I bind free variable “ko’a” to refer to this person)
But I was like, okay, ko’a seems kinda off (ko’a translates everything ko’a says from Lojban to English even though ko’a is Amerikkkan and speaks English natively) but that’s fine, I like weird, weird is often good, ko’a is autistic, I’m autistic, maybe I will message ko’a and say hi. Then I go to ko’a’s linked Github profile and find out ko’a is a literal fed, as in ko’a openly works for intelligence services . Not even getting into ko’a’s other brainworms here but I read ko’a’s stuff a while ago
Okay, there’s no speakers I want to talk to here, fine, fine, it’s very obscure, I was lucky to find the fed on here if anything. So I go to the chat/IRC and find out it is infested with insufferable techbros who DON’T EVEN SPEAK PARSABLY VALID LOJBAN, one of whom is basically an open misanthropic blue fascist, who believes in like… an unelected Democrat monarch to control the stupid masses or something
Regardless, I was asking some questions about my ongoing translation of “Combat Liberalism” in there, talked with someone for a while who was at least helpful but then my account on [unspecified platform bridged to the IRC, I’m sure you could find but whatever lol, there’s nothing publicly visible] was reported for spam and then I was no longer allowed to speak in any groups. The only thing I can think of for why this happened is some lib, too cowardly and too pathetic to disagree with me in the open, mass reported everything I sent and got my account basically temp-banned. Wild right? Yet somehow not unexpected. Also pointless cuz I just logged on to the real IRC and kept my conversation going lmao. Oh and btw, ko’a is in the chat too ugh
Okay, okay, whatever it’s fine it’s fine, I should expect this. What about the people on the Wiki or in the Logical Language Group that, is at least supposed to, develop(s) Lojban? So I was reading through some of the articles and profiles on the wiki and they are much better. Then I somehow ended up at the personal website and blog of an LLG member, who was once the lead person or president or whatever of LLG to read about his takes on libertarianism and the age of consent among other things I forgot . Or I read the takes of the insufferable Randian logicians on the wiki which somehow are often okay on limited aspects of the language yet they are also Randians who should be purged
This is not the first time this has happened to me, this basically constantly happens to me cuz of my weird nerd interests who I must share with some of the worst people on the planet
It’s so fucking exhausting dealing with these overwhelmingly white, massively techbrained, toxic, insufferably
Idk, there seem to be some people in the community which are cool but yeh
Okay, there’s no speakers I want to talk to here, fine, fine, it’s very obscure, I was lucky to find the fed on here if anything. So I go to the chat/IRC and find out it is infested with insufferable techbros who DON’T EVEN SPEAK PARSABLY VALID LOJBAN, one of whom is basically an open misanthropic blue fascist, who believes in like… an unelected Democrat monarch to control the stupid masses or something
Regardless, I was asking some questions about my ongoing translation of “Combat Liberalism” in there
the fucking furry porn instance we aren’t federated with
It’s https://yiffit.net/ lol
Just looked at, apparently they’re shutting down next year :/
Btw I think everything NSFW is hidden unless you have an acct hehe
Be glad you’re not into 40k. There are some reprehensible people into that hobby.
What’s hilarious is the actual hobby and tabletop communities are much better. It’s the LORE fans that need the Inquisition.
40k brainworms, living up to my username
Fandoms are to Capitalism as Genestealer cults are to Tyranids. Their whole purpose is to attract a monstrous all-consuming hive-mind, while sowing chaos and disruption among a population while eventually taking it over, and prepping it for consumption.
Then again, I played Tyranids back in 3rd edition, so maybe my opinion is suspect…
And it’s not even supposed to be called “lore.” It’s “fluff,” which is to differentiate it from “crunch.” Crunch are rules (hard to bite into, difficult to swallow) and fluff is story/background (easy to chew, goes down smooth).
The YouTube and book slop secondaries are obnoxious because 40k is first and foremost a game where grown ass adults can play with toys. If it’s assembled and painted, it’s canon. The communist furry cat girl army that’s at least three colors and flocked has more claim to being canon than the mental gymnastics used to explain why there aren’t female whatever.
Regardless, reactionaries find their way into a lot of places they shouldn’t be in. My Little Pony, Sonic the Hedgehog, Vampire the Masquerade, Nintendo products (Pokémon, Mario, Zelda, etc.), and so on all have chud infestations.
That’s the funny thing. I actually really like the lore, but only when the Imperium eats shit. But that’s so fucking rare and even when they do, they still come out on top somehow. Like the 13th Black Crusade. Ugh. Chaos forever. May the corpse emperor rot for eternity.
Unfortunately, and unlike Warhammer Fantasy, the 40K lore is overwhelmingly Imperial focused. The lore works best when it supports the “everybody fighting everybody” of the tabletop. Giving more perspectives to the other factions would enrich the lore, give a much needed alternative perspective to the Imperium, and support the tabletop.
You run into way too many people who get way too into the Imperium’s xenophobia and love going off about “purging the heretics/mutants/xenos”.
Just goes to show even though 40k may have started as satire/making fun of fascism it’s now a full throated endorsement of it, no matter what gw says about “warhammer is for everyone” they’ve really dedicated themselves to the human ubermensch enforcing his will on the removed, foreign galaxy through force of arms. It doesn’t matter how many times they write that its the most brutal regime in history if they keep portraying that regime as right and the only hope for humanity.
I just want to build and paint model kits and make them go “pew pew” in a silly world where orks belief can alter reality and the god of the theological empire is dead but nooo gw had to embrace the most boring fascist part of the universe. Horus Heresy was a mistake, Space Marines should be portrayed as the barely human indoctrinated child soldiers that they are and not the holy angels of the god emperor
I’m reminded of when I discovered a youtuber who spoke on 40k and was hugely interested in what they had to say, but knew nothing about them as people.
It was archwarhammer.
I blocked arch because I couldn’t stand his voice/accent thing he did. I don’t know how he has any popularity other than people being contrarian.
Honestly at the time I didn’t know anything about 40k and was curious; right now I’m watching shorts by ‘deadliftsomethingsomething40k’ and ‘astartesanonymous’ and have no idea if they’re normal or reactionaries, but unlike archwarhammer they have yet to refer to the Tallarn as ‘sand n-words’ (which his fans in the comment further gave the game away by saying he doesn’t care about political correctness). I’m also watching videos by ‘Pancreasnowork’ but based on a ton of the stuff he says in his videos I’m fairly certain he’s either left leaning or a lib at worst.
Check out Arbitor Ian along with Snipe & Wib. Both channels are at least progressive and non-chuds. Lexicanum has started doing narrations of their articles, too. They’re the main encyclopedia for 40k that directly cites sources from rulebooks, Black Library, and White Dwarf.
the lojban book looks pretty cool and i respect the attempt even if I don’t think the goal of a perfectly unambiguous language is possible. Really unfortunate that the community doesn’t make it seem worth the effort to learn
Yeahhh :(
Lojban has lots of problems beyond even the community, like not enough formalism (this is being worked on though, new developments recently). Btw, the only thing about Lojban that is unambiguous is its grammar. It’s kind of a misconception which imo is not made clear enough to new speakers or even just people who know of Lojban. The grammar being unambiguous is VERY nice but yeh, it’s a long story but the goal of the project was never semantic unambiguity even if there is/was a group of people in the project with that line (and ofc one of the Randians on the wiki and in LLG still continues this line lol)
It’s a lot to get into but briefly, I also think a semantically unambiguous and suitably-useful-for-irl people-language is impossible (and in perfectly consistent formal systems even completeness of a system is provably impossible along the arguments of Godel or whatever lol) but I think some kind of restricted unambiguous formal Lojban could exist parallel and in dialogue with a spoken Lojban possibly, idk, we’ll see if the various attempts ever materialize (la brismu* is new and kinda huge though: https://brismu.systems/)
Although imo this is basically the general AI problem lol
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Haha why whenever there’s something related to formalization the category theory people show up.
Bicategories are pretty weak so i think the necessary to do a lot of big ass proofs to reconcile taxonomic definitions will quickly become a pain point (see OOP spaghetti). And of course some things must be unprovable due to godel incompleteness. If you don’t need to be formal, i guess its nice to have a provable grammar like that, but its not technically any more correct.
Unambiguous grammar is stilll cool.
Yeahhh lol, tbh I think some kind of alternative approach would be best for Lojban but I respect the attempt regardless
Am still a beginner to all this stuff, don’t really know anything but I feel like some kind of paraconsistent, modal system would be more appropriate for a language that is supposed to help people communicate without it being painfully formal but ofc idek what that could mean for Lojban. It just seems like many of the grammatical structures can’t even be formalized in the classical way. Like if I assert P and you assert not P and we both believe our assertions to be true, wtf does that mean to the uhhh universe of discourse or whatever? In a classical definition I guess the whole thing explodes but idk, that’s barely even the fuckin beginning lol, I wrote a little bit more about this here: https://hexbear.net/post/3947645 but it’s a whole mess beyond that. I just think we have to have some way of either managing these contradictions or making them not matter cuz we split up worlds or whatever. Idk what I’m saying ofc, I’m just one of the dumber nerds
So much of the “logic” of this logical language is vibes-based, which is okay practically I guess, the language still functions between people, but leads to many people having very different takes on Lojban (dialecting). The LLG or the language development committee explicitly refuse to rule on stuff like this too, cuz it would make entire classes of Lojban interpretations incorrect (which I agree with doing, as long as MY interpretation is considered correct ofc :3)
Are you big into logic or math? Would love to talk more but I gotta go eep
