Also between this and knowing he ate cottage cheese with canned pineapple or ketchup has me conflicted on this dweebish monster

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the reality of achaemenid rule was very light. Alexander was from the part of the greek world that acquiesced to achamenid tribute. Had Darius or Xerxes crushed the barbarians and emplaced some loyalists it would basically just prevent the peloppenesian war which is only important to “le western civilization” creeps in the first place. maybe more focus would be on the west as the italiotes became the standard bearers for ‘free greece’, probably just in historiography tho unless a spike in immigration made them more able to resist Carthage and Italians.

in any case a triumph over the poor greek savages doesn’t seem like something that would rejuvenate the empire, as it became vulnerable and retracted from its furthest commitments there’s no reason for its terminal fate not to be sealed from the west anyway. perhaps by the exact same historical personages. overall it’s a pretty lame divergence point, California girls of the 30s clearly knew their althistory and recognized when they rely on racist ‘clash-of-civilizations’ tropes.

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Real alt history: what if beanis became USSR

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This actually sounds like something he would do, given his rants on the tapes about gay people in Classical Antiquity. The guy was obsessed with the Greek and Romans. Literally the boyfriend thinking about Rome meme. I wouldn’t be surprised if he also said the same stuff on the tapes to his dates.

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I still can’t get over the fact that he intentionally self-sabotaged his dates with marble bust pfp takes

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I’m just picturing Nixon taking aides in the bathroom with him like LBJ, but it’s to listen to him rant about Marcus Aurelius.

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Nixon and LBJ at the urinals with Nixon trying to flex on LBJ with some “Wot if the Roman’s industrialized” takes while LBJ interrupts him by saying they need to install lower urinals so he doesn’t feel so much splashback on his longdongjohn

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maybe one day someone will use the tapes to generate a VR where you can have the experience of going on a date with dick nixon. special just for you.

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He’s not really my type. Way too sweaty. And he makes me look attractive in comparison. On the other hand, maybe he’d take me on a date to show me the aliens like he did with Jackie Gleason.

On a related note, one of the earliest moments that I retroactively attribute to being latently attracted to men was seeing photos of a young Eisenhower and Ford playing football. I didn’t understand it at the time and just brushed it off as “those guys were handsome.” I guess I’m like Trump in that regard: I love the handsome generals and football players, lol.

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6 points

Remind me not to challenge him in Crusader Kings. (I don’t know if that has PvP, I rarely touch video games.

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I think it does but, I never play PVP either. I know EU4 definitely does.

He’d definitely have a moment if his attractive genius heir turned out to be gay after his education is done.

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Is he pro or anti ancient Greek gayness?

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On the tapes he uses the f slur to describe a ten year old Romulus Augustulus. Definitely anti.

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Real talk sometimes I wish the Persians won just to see how wildly divergent history would’ve been.

Probably nothing whatsoever would change in a long run, Achaemenid rule over Greece wouldn’t last long, it was too far and Greeks would try to topple the satrapy, so there would be uprisings and it would get scrapped during the next dynasty crisis or civil war. Also Macedonia would remain outside of it anyway.

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This is kinda what I was thinking. Nothing much would change. Probably no Peloppenesian Wars. Macedonia would probably have undergone the same path. The Greeks were stubborn bastards. Many of them sided with the Achaemenids during the Persian wars anyway.

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The Peloponnesian war was arguably much more impactful than the Persian wars. It did affect the relations of production, almost 2 thirds of Athenian citizens died, and wages for craftsmen went from 7 liters of grain equivalent wich is sort of average for a pre industrial society to 15, Wich is insanely high. This kept slavery, and the associated superstructure economically viable. So no Peloponnesian war probably means Greece transitions away from a slave society into some form of tenancy much earlier. As well as greater efforts for Greek colonisation of Ukraine and the Mediterranean.

What impact does this have in the world? Probably not much. They would break away eventually and a new war between them may have the same demographic effect.

On the other hand a Feudal society may be more amenable to Persian rule, and may cause alexander to not exist. Making the empire last longer.

On the gripping hand, even if there is no alexander the empire is not going to last much longer either. There was an agrarian crisis shortly after Alexander’s conquest, that would have happened anyway. so it’s likely that would cause it’s fall in this alt history, so at best they get 20 years more. And there would still be an Hellenistic world in the eastern Mediterranean afterwards.

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macedonia was even made a tributary by Darius on his way south, that they and ionians are still counted among the greeks is testament to the fact persian domination would not remove ‘greek-ness’ from greece.

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Yeah and even Anatolian Greeks didn’t lose anything of their culture under Persian rule and even greekised their neighbours and became one of the main pillars of first Hellenistic and then Byzantine cultures.

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Im so glad I found my partner so early in life, I’m too autistic for the neurotypical dating world. I absolutely would rant about shit like this date 1

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He proposed to Pat on their first date. ’ “I thought he was nuts or something!” she recalled.’

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He’s not nuts, he’s a quaker so he’s oat of his mind

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12 points

him driving her to dates with other dudes is one of my favorite nixon details, it’s so illustrative

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You ever read Robert Coover’s novel The Public Burning? Some hilarious Nixon comedy in there, like being bullied by Uncle Sam in the flesh and passing out on the couch after eating ketchup packets.

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i haven’t but it sounds like a good read lol i’ll have to check it out. i like that wikipedia calls its portrayal of nixon “uncharacteristically human” lmao

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